There Was War In Heaven Michael and His Angels fought

Against the Dragon and the Dragon and His Angels, Satan prevailed not, and was cast out of heaven! Question is what Heaven? There are three Heavens mentioned in the Bible! the Earth is the First Heaven and God Lives in the third Heaven.    {look  into the Hubble telescope on } or some where that shows the images in  space and you will see a battle ground beyound the war stories you have heard, and this Battle took place in the second Heaven.

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Richard O. K. how old is the earth?


Delilah cut Sampson's hair and forced him into servitude and demise, powerful is woman, strong and vigilant, she brought her men off battlefields to carry them on her back to safety or to burial

---Isaiah 49:2.  took a couple of days here it is Wink
And He hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;  in the shadow of His hand hath He hid me,  and made me a polished shaft;  in  His  quiver  hath He hid me---Isaiah 49:2.
THERE WAS WAR IN HEAVEN.    MICHAEL AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT. Against the Dragon and the Dragon and His Angels, Satan prevailed not, and was cast out of heaven!        Question is what Heaven



Earth is the First Heaven


 Battle took place in the second Heaven

 God Lives in the third Heaven


look  into the Hubble telescope on  or some where that shows the images in  space and you will see a battle ground beyound the war stories you have heard, and this Battle took place in the second Heaven 



how old is the earth? if you read it right there are two answers:

"found in genisis".

Genesis 1:1        In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth .

 1.  William Smith's nephew and student, John Phillips, later calculated by such means that Earth was about 96 million years old. ...
 2.  Planetary Science question: How old is planet earth? The Earth is around 4.6 billion years old, as suggested by all the available scientific evidence.

3 . Young earth proponents biblical age of the earth and universe of about 6,000 years
4.  Old earth proponents secular age of the earth of about 4.5 billion years and a universe about 14 billion years old.

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hi richard and everybody out there. took a c ouple days but here we go.

i posted this several times and it didn't post all of the answer so i tryed to delete and repost and it happened again.  here is the rest of the story, as paul harvey would say  lol  put it with the other if they have not deleted it--------------------------------------------------------------------------

4.  Old earth proponents secular age of the earth of about 4.5 billion years and a universe about 14 billion years old.

God gave us something better. In essence, He gave us a “birth certificate.” For example, using my personal birth certificate, I can calculate how old I am at any point. It is similar with the earth.    Genesis 1 says that the earth was created on the first day of creation Genesis 1:1–5   From there, we can begin calculations of the age of the  earth.
Let’s do a rough calculation to show how this works. The age of the earth can be estimated by taking the
 first 5 days of creation (from earth’s creation to Adam), then following the genealogies
from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5 and 11,
then adding in the time from Abraham to today.
Adam was created on Day 6, so there were 5 days before him.                  If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11        Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C.   4,000 years ago.
So a simple calculation is:
5 days
+ ~2000 years
+ ~4000 years
~6000 years
At this point, the first 5 days are negligible. Quite a few people have done this calculation using the Masoretic text (which is what most English translations are based on) and, with careful attention to the biblical details, have arrived at the same time-frame of about 6,000 years, or about 4,000 B.C. Two of the most popular, and perhaps the best in my opinion, are a recent work by Dr. Floyd Jones and a much earlier book by Archbishop James Ussher (1581–1656):
The age of the earth ultimately comes down to a matter of trust—it’s a worldview issue. Will you trust what an all-knowing God says on the subject or will you trust imperfect man’s assumptions and imaginations about the past that regularly are changing?

Isaiah 66:1-2   Thus says the LORD: “Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest? For all those things My hand has made, and all those things exist,” says the LORD.
But on this one will I look: On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at My word .

happy reading to all of you and let the spirit fill your heart. amen

God bless



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So the three heavens are:

  1. The atmosphere in which we live.
  2. Space.
  3. God's throne.
I don't wish to be argumentative ,but I disagree with the Islamic belief that I should be killed! " If radical atheists decided they needed to kill believers to ensure their place in nothingness, I'd be criticizing that too."

thanks wildthing

dont you just love the questions that richard gives to us ?  it makes bible study so interesting and full of God's word thru out the bible instead of just staying on the book but next chapter in the bible.  daily bible study in different places of the bible instead of weekly studies in same book,  " dont get me wrong,  i strongly beleve in weekly bible studies  at a church of your choice.  and being with other believers in the word of God.  i just love richrd's i call it "minibible study".  it's like getting a good channel on t.v. that tells the truth    lol Wink.  well   thanks again  and  keep up your good answer's also and studing.  i enjoy reading your post also.   it's sharing your views with others and you do a good job.  keep it up .  thats what it's about   putting the true word of God  from the bible out their to lost sheep that  have given up reading the word of God  in their bible .  if our post " each of us " of God's word  just reached 10 people to get their bible out   think of how awesome that would be and they passed their answer's on to ten people,  and just keep it going,  like the circle of life in God's word.  that would be so AWESOME.  AMEN.

the devil wouldn't have a chance with us warriors.  sho devil sho. Wink

God bless wildthing and pass it on

nanadee  Cool

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thanks richard, 

i just wanted toput this in answers cause some people dont read comment it was good further imput that was intereting to me.  hope others enjoy.

richard         your comment was   as follows:

nanadee.....   will add to your post this follow up that will extend the time line of Gods beautiful handiwork!        Job: 1: 6 Now there was a day when the Sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. ..... [ Notice that satan is NOT called Lucifer! and notice that satan is among them!]  ...                                                                                                  7     ,and the Lord said unto Satan, whence come thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the Earth, and from walking up and down in it. Now all that to say just this: the war in Heaven is and has been over and satan is no longer Lucifer!                                                                              a read Genesis 3:1, Satan is showing up as a serpant,which God has said is more subtil then any beast of the field which He the Lord has Made!                    genesis 1: 28,    And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and Multiply and REPLENISH the Earth!{ why such a command? if the Earth had been empty from time imortal? Because it had been a fruitful place Before the WAR in Heaven, and it was left dark and void and unihabital from that war! now God after satan was Cast down, created a new Earth and as stated in the word in Genesis, so Now god gets enough from the wiles of the Devil that has entered into man in the times of Noah and He destoys the Earth! But saves Noah and His family; and tells Noah                                                                             Genesis 9: 1; the same thing He told Adam and His wife Eve, He blessed Noah and His son, and said unto THEM, BE fruitful and multiply and RELENISH the Earth. so after the Earth was destroyed God did replenish It, But He created it After it was destroyed by the war in Heaven, Bare in Mind that these angels are of superior power and can toss a planit with out stress, and cause destruction, that is unimaginable to Mankind. in this last destruction the fish and the few animals were not completly destroyed as was mankind saved by the family of Noah. hope this will act as a wide angle lens! THIS WAS VERY INTERESTING TO ME.

thanks richard for this.  thank you for spreading God's word to us.  amen Smile

God bless

nanadee Cool

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There was a war in heaven satan and 1/3 of the angles were kicked out of heaven.

The one-third are not the fallen angels. The fallen angels are angels (spiritual beings, not flesh, per say), the one-third are people in the flesh now.  Allow me to make a quick explanation for the newer student:  In the world that was (2nd Pet 3:6 , Gen 1:1) all souls lived, we were all alive in the first earth age.  Then satan rebelled (Isa 14:12-14) and caused one-third of the souls (God's children) to join him in a rebellion and attempted take-over of the Throne of God (Rev 12:4a).  At that time, we were all alive yes, but we were in spiritual bodies (1st Cor 15:44).  

        God promptly destroyed that first earth age (Gen 1:2  and recalled all souls back to Him, so to speak.  At that time satan (Lucifer, the devil, the dragon,... he's the same one entity) was judged to eternal death, "...and never shalt thou be any more" (Ezek 28:16-19).  This judgment has not yet been executed, but is written of in Rev 20:10).

        God now had a dilemma on His hands, what to do with the one-third of His children who joined satan and rebelled against God?  Well God chose not to destroy those one-third of His children as He had sentenced satan to destruction.  look at it like this: "if you had three children, could you bring yourself to kill one of them, no matter how they had betrayed you?"

        So God created this second earth age in where the souls would be tried again.  Is this a second chance, you ask?  Yes it is.  Will there be any more second chances in this age?  No, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27).  This entire age, this world, and the existence that we know is one big second chance.  But not all fell in the first earth age, not all followed satan.  But all must go through this second age, this flesh life, wherein every soul is born innocent into this world having no recollection of that first age, nor whether they stood or fell during that first age.

        Unfair?  Well, we know that God is not unfair!  And I wonder which of us would have resent it, or would have objected if God decided to give the one-third of our brethren a second chance by running this second age?  Not that I say that God acted by committee.  But we are all here nonetheless.

        And before we get into too much into finger-pointing at the one-third who followed satan — the other two-thirds didn't do so hot either.  For if all of the other two-thirds had remained steadfast, the rebellion would have been put down without requiring God's drastic intervention (the termination of an entire age).  Perhaps the great majority of those remaining two-thirds were like the great majority of people today; i.e., while they are not inherently evil, they are monumentally indifferent.






     No, to the first question, "DO WE OR DON'T WE GET RESURRECTED AT TIME OF DEATH?? "; and yes to the second.  When we die, we change.  Our soul leaves the flesh body and ascends to God.  This is not a resurrection , but merely a laying down of the flesh, a change of form and substance, but the same entity.  We continue on.  Once again, man's terminology clouds the issue.  You cannot equate "resurrection" with "eternal salvation life."  And that is what I think that you are doing, and that which is causing you confusion.  When defining Scriptural usages of words, we must use Scripture to define them; we cannot use a Webster's Dictionary to understand Scripture.  Perhaps that is why wise scholars have so much trouble understanding and believing Scripture; but the common man, the average Joe , the "babes" understand that which confounds the professors and doctors.


Matthew 11:25
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.  KJV  


Paul also speaks of this concept:


1 Corinthians 1:18-20
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?  KJV


     Regarding the resurrection and when it occurs:  Scripture is clear as to when the first resurrection occurs.  First, as you know, means that there are none before it:


Revelation 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection .  KJV


     The above Scripture clearly occurs chronologically AFTER the below Scripture; therefore, the "dead in Christ " in the below Scripture are not the first resurrection (nor can they yet have been, at that time, in any resurrection); for they did their rising BEFORE the first resurrection:


1 Thessalonians 4:15-16
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first :  KJV


     Also adding confusion to this matter is that "rising" is not necessarily "resurrecting"; it may be in our present English, but not in the Bible.  Now, to add further confusion here, admittedly; the people that are alive at His coming (at the 2nd Advent) are resurrected into their final spiritual bodies (sons of God) because we see them in the above Revelation 20:2 Scripture; they are the ones below (which I have embolden and underlined):


Revelation 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.  KJV


     Now, these which "and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; " (Rev 20:4b) are those who: "are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord " (1 Thes 4:15 ) AND had not been killed, nor had they taken the mark of the beast.

     Some will say that the above, who didn't take the mark, are the same ones who were killed.  But the killed ones were killed because they didn't take the mark; it was not necessary to repeat saying that.  All shall be required to take this mark, and those who don't, shall be killed (these are the martyrs of Rev 20:4 above): "...and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. " (Rev 13:15b).  Therefore, the qualifier in Rev 20:4 above, "and which had not worshipped... " is added information to explain the presence of those in the Millennium who hadn't been killed.  God doesn't waste words; if there is something interjected into a Scripture? it has purpose and meaning. 

     Let me explain it like this:  It would be like me saying: "Those killed in the car crash were put into an ambulance and those who survived the crash were put into an ambulance."   Question:  If everyone died in the car crash, would it have been necessary for me to add: "and those who lived in the crash were put into an ambulance "?  No, it would not; for, since all died we know that all were put into an ambulance.  I was inserting further information into the sentence to show you that not everyone died in the car crash, but they all ended up in the ambulance .  It was only necessary that I write the second sentence to show that not all died who were in the ambulance.  The same goes for the Millennium Scripture above (Rev 20:4), and answers quite nicely as to what becomes of those at the Second Advent who had remained faithful, and had not died, but rather "are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord " (1 Thes 4:15 ).

     That there are Christians who survive the Tribulation unmarked by satan should be comforting to many Christians who fear being killed in the Tribulation; or worse, fear being deceived by antichrist to their own peril.  Not all Christians shall die during the Tribulation; however,  Scripture in the book of Revelation speaks of many Christian martyrs. 

       Never minding the clear and concise Scriptures which speak of the faithful that die during the Tribulation, they rather are in effect saying: "Give me a teacher that will sooth me and tell me sweet things; and away with that fellow who tells me hard things backup-up by Scripture.  I will follow whims and words of peace and safety from man, not God's hard words in unbreakable foreordained prophecy" .  Well, sticking your head in the sand doesn't stop the wolf from ravaging you.  Better to be prepared and to stand and fight, instead of giving your back to the enemy.  But in all things: trust the Lord; for, He does protect many of the weaker of the flock? like a true Shepherd always does.  "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. " (Jesus Christ; John 10:11). 

Will you be a martyred?  Only if you choose to be.  God will not put on you more than you can bear:


1 Corinthians 10:13
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape , that ye may be able to bear it.  KJV


Revelation 3:9-10
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation , which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth .  KJV



Yep, it is the same Greek word:   temptation :  Greek word #3986  peirasmos (pi-ras-mos'); from NT:3985; a putting to proof (by experiment [of good], experience [of evil], solicitation, discipline or provocation); by implication, adversity: KJV - temptation, try.



     Though many Christians cannot fathom this, they might be surprised to know that God actually has a surplus of willing martyrs .  I have heard from many of them in letters.  Many would consider it an honor to die for our Lord and in defense of the Great Kingdom which never ceases.  Perhaps they were chosen for it in the world that was; we cannot now know.  But that is why they are to be so well rewarded above all other of the faithful from all times, as also shall those Christians who weather the storm and remain faithful till the Second Advent:


Revelation 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years .
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection .  KJV . 


     Don't these deserve greater glory that those Christians who didn't give the ultimate sacrifice (their life) or too endure the challenges of the Tribulation and overcome?  I would say that they do.  It's easy to be a Christian when it costs you nothing, when you do all the taking and are not required to give any more than your faith.  Many throughout history have endured tortures unimaginable for their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and for the defense of the Gospel.  And many shall be killed for that faith in the Great Tribulation.  And I dare say that they deserve a seat much higher than I, should I die peacefully in my sleep tonight.  Don't you?  What does it cost me to be a Christian today, a few snickers from the dead souls?  That is not much of a price to pay for eternal glory.

     But consider this:  What shall you do if you are one who is seized and made to choose as Scripture declares many shall be.  It seems that Christians close their eyes when they read the below Scripture.  They love to have pastors and priests and teachers prophesy to them smooth things .  Peace and safety, that's the dish of their day.  They like to be coddled and given a "false" (I use that word here carefully, please allow me) sense of security.  Had not the below been a problem that many Christians would face, then God wouldn't have bothered to warn us of it in the Christian Bible.  But He did warn us.  You had better open your eyes to this now; for, I assure you, your eyes shall be quite widely opened at the below time, even if you aren't the one being persecuted; for, you shall know of it happening, and no doubt will lose friends and loves ones to it:


Revelation 13:15-18
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed .
16 And he causeth all , both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell [how long can you go without food, shelter, medicine?  47 months?  42 months?  5 months?  I think not] , save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.  KJV


     Ergo, if you don't want to be a martyr, and don't want to betray Christ, then don't let antichrist's minions on the Earth catch you (which are alive today, I might add? but many in great error call them "God's chosen people" ).  Or, pray that you are in one of the two below groups who God miraculously helps and hides; the first group being hidden from the first beast of Rev 13 (for 42 months), and the second group being hidden from the second beast of Rev 13 (for a time, times, and half time [5 months?]);  i.e., both parts of the Tribulation, but not necessarily the same people in both:

Protection For Certain Christians In First Part of Tribulation:


Revelation 12:6
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days [1260 days = 42 (prophetic 30 day) months] .  KJV [Note:  All months in prophecy are Noah's months (30 days), and all years in prophecy are Noah's years (360)]


Protection For Certain Christians In Second Part of Tribulation:


Revelation 12:13-14
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time , from the face of the serpent [presumably (but not assuredly) the 5 months of Rev 9:5 & 10] .  KJV


Will all Christians be in the above two protected groups?  No!  Remember:


Revelation 6:9-12
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal , I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season , until their fellowservants also and their brethren , that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled .
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal , and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;  KJV


     I take it that my point is not missed that these later martyrs are killed squarely in the midst of the Tribulation, between the fifth seal and sixth seal .  There shall be others;I am not trying to scare you, I am trying to prepare you.  Who am I?  Nobody, just a Bible student who likes to write Bible studies documented with Scripture.  Prove me wrong with the Scriptures and I shall repent of my position, and change my mind? the right of every fallible human being? and one which I reserve to myself. 

     And did not the above, regarding the second group of protected in the Tribulation , even go on to say, if we had continued the verse further:


Revelation 12:14-17
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ .  KJV


   The above remnant "and went to make war with the remnant of her seed " (Rev 12:17b) are seen in Daniel's prophecy as well: "I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints , and prevailed against them " (Dan 7:21).

     You who object to the teaching (and those who dare teach it) that Christians shall be killed in the Tribulation , I ask you this:  what will you do with the above Scripture (Rev 12:17 & Dan 7:21)?  Throw them out too?  Spiritualize it away as you have been doing with much (if not all) of the book of Revelation?  Why is it that Christians always feel that they cannot be wrong?  I've seen many promises in the Bible, but I haven't seen that one.   Moving on....

     I still feel as though I haven't made my point clearly.  Suffice it to say that, when we die, we don't go into a spiritual body, our soul leaves this flesh body.  When we resurrect, our soul goes into a spiritual body.  Perhaps a crude diagram may help to put a picture in the place of a thousand words. 

     Below at the top left of the diagram, we see that we were in Heaven in our angelic bodies before this world began.  We were the sons of God (no gender implied).  It was here and then that there was a rebellion in Heaven (touched on briefly in Rev 12:1-4, and scant other places in the Bible), the particulars of we are not well told.    Then moving strait down on the diagram, we see that our souls and spirit were placed into a flesh body birthed from a womb.  (A soul is us , whether in flesh or angelic bodies; a spirit is the life of us whether in flesh or angelic bodies)  Then at some point we die.  Some go to one side of the holding place in Heaven (illustrated in Luke 16), some go to the other side; but we ALL return to the Father.  Then by and by we are resurrected.  Then, after the final events of Rev 20 we go to Judgement Day.  Some of us are judged to eternal life, some are judged to eternal death (the second death) in the Lake of Fire.  Then the "Lake of Fire souls" are gone forever, and the overcoming souls spend the eternity with God as the sons of God (in those angelic bodies):

     Regarding "spiritual bodies ", I am as guilty as the next person for confusing this in my writings.  Many do the same, because to stop and explain the particular form (it's not always a "body") every time one mentions an entity, would make an unreadable for clutter Bible study.  But I shall try to be cognizant of this in future writings.

     And I often use the term "spiritual body " to describe what we become after we die.  This is also confusing, but is also done by most all who know the difference.  Usually, it is not relevant to the point.  But here today it is, so I shall explain myself as clearly and unambiguously as I possibly can on the matter.

Technically, It is not correct to use the term spiritual body EVER; for, a spirit has no body, as our Lord so stated:


Luke 24:36-39
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit .
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones , as ye see me have .  KJV


     The natural inclination is to then further confuse this by saying that Jesus had a "spiritual body" not made of flesh and bones.  That is not correct, and further confuses the matter.  And here's where it becomes even more confusing.

A spirit is just that, an invisible un-touchable, un-seeable "thing."  Even the Strong's definition describes a spirit as such:



spirit :  Greek word #4151 pneuma (pnyoo'-mah); from NT:4154; a current of air , i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:  KJV - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare NT:5590.



     Even Jesus described to Nicodemus that a spirit was such.  In the below, we are not going to be going into the "born again" thing, we are visiting the below solely for Jesus' definition of a spirit:


John 3:6-9
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof , but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth : so is every one that is born of the Spirit .
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?  KJV


     Not one time was a spirit seen in the Bible.  Every spirit was within a person.  The evil spirits possessed the demoniacs (possessed people), and the Holy Spirit is always called the Spirit of God.  Our spirits are within these our flesh bodies.  A spirit has no form, has no mass; a spirit is in another realm, another dimension.  Many saw Jesus Christ, Moses saw the "back parts" of God, but none has seen the Holy Spirit; for it is not a separate entity from God, it is the Spirit of God, and yes, it is Most Holy. 

     So, while spirits cannot be seen, and were not seen in the bible; angels were seen and can be seen.  Angels are not spirits? they have spirits.  Evil spirits are not angels, they are spirits without form, or mass, or body.  An evil angel is an evil spirit in an angelic body.  A good angel is a good spirit in an angelic body.  That is why to been seen, touched, heard, etc., the spirit must possesses a living creature (unless it is in angelic form).  When Christ cast out Legion (the multiple evil spirits), they were not seen; they had to enter the swine; then the people saw the swine run into the sea.  You can't see air, and you can't see spirits, for a spirit is as Strong's stated above, like "a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze". 

     So, while you cannot see spirits, you can discern spirits; that's one of the spiritual gifts in Corinthians: "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits ; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues " (1 Cor 12:10).  Surely many of you have looked at a person and just got the "willies."  What you sensed was an evil spirit, though you could not see it.  Some Christians are better gifted to sense the spirits in people.  Most Christians can discern the strong ones, but miss the weak or hidden ones.  It is a gift from God.  We all have different gifts, as the above Corinthians Scripture lays out.

     There are no spirits drifting around, they must be in a body (someone else's, for they have no body of their own; as we won't have a body when we die? until we resurrect, that is.) to manifest in this realm (our flesh world).  Even the sons of God (the fallen angels in this case), who came to Earth in Genesis chapter six and mated with fallen women (which shall happen again at the end, I might add), had bodies.  They were not "spirits," they were evil spirits in angelic bodies who had come to Earth in direct opposition to God's command, and they impregnated human females.  Children were born of this abominable union, and God sent a flood (of Noah) to destroy these giants.  The point is, whenever an angel, both good or bad, comes to Earth and is seen by man? it is in a body, an angelic body, which is far different that a spirit. 

     A possessed person is infected by an evil spirit; the fallen angels were evil spirits in their angelic bodies; a good angel is a good spirit in it's angelic body; the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God which dwells within every Christian to help, guide, and protect us; our spirit is the spirit of our soul (our soul IS us whether in flesh body, angelic body, or no body) that is within our flesh bodies.  When we die, that spirit of that soul (us) goes to a holding place in Heaven.  If we be a Christian then we are on the good side of that place; if we were evil and unbelieving then we are on the bad side of that place? but we have no body there.  Then we are resurrected into our angelic bodies to go on to Rev 20 and Judgement Day.  The bad ones perish completely in the Lake of Fire.  The good ones spend eternity in their angelic bodies with God.  

     The serpent in the Garden of Eden was no snake, nor was he a spirit; the serpent in the Garden of Eden was satan's spirit in an angelic body.  And as many of you know, but most other Christians do not; satan, as the serpent, impregnated Eve and she bore Cain. 

     Even when Jesus returned to the Apostles after that He had resurrected? He was in a body .  Now, Jesus' body that He returned in we cannot know what manner it was; for, Jesus' flesh body did not stay on the Earth to rot (corrupt) in the tomb:


Acts 13:33-37
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption [Christ' body did not rot back into dust like ours shall] , he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption .
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption [their bodies rotted back to the dust whence it was taken]  :
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.  KJV


     So we have to be careful to understand that Jesus may well have been a one-time occurrence for the purpose of teaching that he defeated death.  And that the body that Jesus returned in may well not be the body that we resurrect in.  Jesus was different than us, He was God in the flesh; we are the sons of God in the flesh.  For, He resurrected way back in the first century A.D. , but none of us can resurrect until the first resurrection of Rev 20:2, and then others later in Rev 20.  Paul spoke on fact that Christ's body was not left to corrupt (rot) back into dust:


Acts 2:29-31
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David , that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day .
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption .  KJV


But this same Jesus ate food with those Apostles when He returned:


Luke 24:39-43
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them .  KJV


And in other places in Scripture, angels have eaten food on the Earth before men:


Genesis 19:1-4
19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat .
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:  KJV


So, in conclusion; when we die, our spirit goes back to God. 


Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.  KJV


     We are kept with Him in our place: "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. " (John 14:2).  Then sometime later we resurrect, some in the first resurrection and some in the second, depending on our individual cases:


Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection .
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power , but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.  KJV


     That is the difference between the first resurrection and the "second" resurrection (though Scripture never terms it the second resurrection, so neither perhaps should we, to avoid confusion).  But those of the first resurrection do not stand on Judgement Day, they are already judged to eternal life; for with these, "the second death hath no power ". 

     Later, after the thousand years and satan's last gasp, we see all souls stand before God to be judged either for good or for bad. (The term "the dead " in the below is not a bad thing, it is just all that have died in the flesh; for we see that some of these "the dead " are in the book of life.):


Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life : and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books , according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death .
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.  KJV


But the overcommers are judged to eternal life:


Revelation 21:1-8
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death .  KJV

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