Two Parts of the first Resurrection / Meet Christ in the air / Christ returns to the Mt of Olives, secound Half of the first resurrection.

This question is mainly for those who are sincere in finding CHRIST AND NOT BEING LEFT BEHIND. any who are wanting to down grade with comments need first to be sure you know where and what  you are saying , because,  if you cause the innocent to fail,  it shall be accounted to you!

What people see in the Rapture doctrine is actually miss-timed Second Advent events.  They mess up on the timing.  They shall meet Christ in the air, but not until the Second Advent.  There is much work here on Earth for us few real Christians to do?before Christ does any returning.

There is only one more reappearing of Jesus Christ; and when He does come at this last (Second) Advent, EVERY EYE shall see Him.  No secret rendezvous for the Baptists and Pentecostals, etc..  Sorry, they will just have to wait like the rest of us common Christians.  And yes, they shall endure the Tribulation along with every other creature on God's good Earth who is alive at the time of Jacob's trouble.  The only problem, for them, is that they shall be wholly unprepared; and, at that critical time, begin to doubt all that they know of the Scriptures and the may well feel that God has betrayed them.  When antichrist and his Judaics are running this world, moving people to worship their image under threat of death?this is the absolute worst time for a Christian to be doubting their God and Savior Jesus Christ.  That, my friend, is the true danger of all the various Rapture dogmas.

      II Th 2:3-4
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (KJV) 


Hell is not the end, for in Rev 20:14, we see Hell itself cast into the Lake of Fire.  Therefore, the Lake of Fire is after Hell so, Hell cannot be the final destination of the lost and the damned.  The end-stop for the non-overcomers is the Lake of Fire, which is the SECOND death the death of a soul.  Thee is nothing left to punish or kill after God extinguishes an eternal soul in the lake of Fire.  It is complete perdition a complete perishing,  i.e., no more for ever.  And yes it is eternal, and yes it is agony to not-be when you could have-been for ever.  But they won't know it because they won't-be anymore.

    Revelation 20:14-15
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.  KJV

All Rapture theories  make a nonsensical statement, they say that they will be Raptured up into the clouds at the end of the Tribulation and then turn right around and come back with Jesus at His Second Advent - this makes no sense at all!

They feel that only a portion of the people on the planet (the 'Church') will be removed before the wrath of God, which in fact commences the "Day of the Lord."   But there is no selective removal before God's wrath is executed on the ungodly.  The 'Church' witnesses the destruction of the ungodly but is itself protected from it. 

Observe this Scripture showing that some are destroyed while others yet REMAIN and witness that destruction of the ungodly:  "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." {Rev 11:13}

The fundamental error in all the 'Rapture' scenarios is that they all, in one fashion or another, believe that at some point in time only a portion of the people will be removed.  First of all, they misunderstand the Bible when it says that "all will be changed" to read "will be Raptured'  The change is a change of body, it is us going from our flesh body into our spiritual body.  and this happens to ALL people on the earth at Christ's coming AT THE SAME TIME! 

Read the below Scripture carefully and put out of your mind all that false 'Rapture' stuff.  The below Scripture speaks of us going from our flesh body into our spiritual body.  Those who are asleep (dead) have already changed into their spiritual body at the moment of their individual deaths.  Their flesh corpse is the only thing in the grave.  But those who shall still be living when Christ returns must also go into their spiritual bodies, but the are changed without actually dying a flesh death, they just discard these flesh 'Tabernacles' and the spiritual man emerges.  For the in the Millennium we are no longer in our flesh bodies, but rather, we are in our spiritual bodies.  

    1 Cor 15:51-55
    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?  (KJV)

  It is prophesied in many places in the Bible that satan (as the antichrist) shall come to this earth first before the Second Advent of Jesus Christ pretending to be Him, pretending to be the true Messiah.  Many will be deceived by satan.  For satan's plan so closely mimics the return of the true Messiah Jesus Christ that the unstudied in the Word will not be able to tell the difference.

      II Th 2:3-4
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (KJV)

As long as you respect your own mind above God, you will remain where you are at the present, next door to the pit, or better understood ( in the hands of the luminous figure known as the tree of evil and iniquity ) He will fill your eyes with blindness and your understanding will be void of life, and in this state you will; with other as like you, all fall in the ditch!   He will offer you greatness and give you death, He will show you the truth, but will fill you with lie's! therefore your conclusions has caused some to falter, and your life will be required to the same extent as the stumbling stones you have offered.

richard Answered, As long as you respect your own mind above God, you will remain where you are at the present, next door to the pit, or better understood ( in the hands of the luminous figure known as the tree of evil and iniquity ) He will fill your eyes with blindness and your understanding will be void of life, and in this state you will; with other as like you, all fall in the ditch!

What does that mean? Is it that same Holy Spirit that told you that there was going to be a Rapture of the Church?

The Holy Spirit of God would not lie to you, therefore you are receiving your ideas from some other spirit.  The antichrist is satan, no one else but the Son of Perdition himself! {2nd Thess 2:3, Ezek 28:18-19, Isa 14:12-18}

I think you've hear the Scripture, but allow me to post it for others that may not:

    I Jn 4:1
    1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (KJV)

Just because a 'spirit' makes you think that something is true (like satan's Rapture doctrine for instance) does not mean that it is true.

    2 Cor 11:13-15
    13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming [disguising - Strong's word #3345 - see below] themselves into the apostles of Christ.
    14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed  [disguised] into an angel of light.
    15 Therefore it is no great thing if his [satan's false] ministers also be transformed [disguised] as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (KJV)

        transformed:  Greek word #3345 metaschematizo (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo); from 3326 and a derivative of 4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively, to apply (by accommodation):  KJV-- transfer, transform (self).

The way to tell if it is the Holy Spirit of God is that He will tell (or cause you to believe) nothing that contradicts the Word of God, that is one reason why God had the Bible to be given to us.

It is so very dangerous to stake your soul on doctrines because you feel that that simply because you 'feel good about them' that they must be from God.  Satan is not a lazy person, he works day and night to deceive with his false doctrines that he sends to earth through his deceived false preachers/teachers.

Test the spirits people, test the fruit of that spirit and compare it to our trusted guideline - the Word of God, the Bible.  That is how you can be assured that you aren't running around willy-nilly with itchy ears and half truths and deceiving doctrines.  Some of the doctrines and beliefs expressed by the Rapturist are so ridiculous when compared to Scripture that one can only suspect satanic deception in those that believe and spread them like a spiritual plague throughout the body of Christ - His church.  Where are all the true Bible teachers from God, and whence came the Tares?

Satan's greatest feat of all was to convince man that either he wasn't real or that he had no influence nor power over the affairs of man.  The best way to defeat an enemy is to trick him into laying down his armor and weapon, satan is a master at destroying man spiritually.  A word to the wise is sufficient - compare anything you learn to the Scriptures of God in your Bible!

God has  shown Rapturists many Scriptures that discount a Rapture happening, but they just pull out another twisted verse and point to it as their new hope new savior, forgetting the dozens that were corrected before that one.  What gives with that?  Do you guys so desperately want to believe that there will be a Rapture so bad that you are oh-so-willing to close your eyes to the Scriptures?  It is that which amazes me most about Rapturists, they seem like such faithful Christians:  But even a deceived Christian, when presented with overwhelming evidence, will lay down their false rapture doctrine  and come out of the idolatrous false belief.  But the Rapturist?  Leave his false fly-away doctrine?  No way, he's gonna keep the faith in his dogmas even if it means going to hell for it.  Though I judge not.

God bless you, not in what you believe (Rapture), but that the Lord will pull you out of it before it is too late.

There are several misconceptions that the Rapturist has been taught to labor under (And please, I really mean no disrespect.  To me a ''Rapturist'' is simply somebody who believes in a Rapture of the Church.)  So let all the Rapturist's take a step back and allow me to state some things, and then you can check me out in the Word of God or they can choose to simply disbelieve what I say.  I cannot make you believe as I do, but I must show Rapturist's a couple of things that are just plain incorrect in their perceptions, and it is that which is throwing them off course Biblically.


The first misconception is that of the nature of the Great Tribulation. "You" confuse the Tribulation with the wrath of God at Jesus Christ's Second Advent.  They are two entirely different things!  The Tribulation is that deception of satan as the antichrist when he comes as the false messiah.  Satan/antichrist isn't going to running amuck killing people, nobody would believe him to be Jesus Christ if he did that.  Below Jesus gives us a great clue as to the nature of the Tribulation.

    Matt 24:21-27
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
      
 Explanation for above:  Jesus is saying that this Tribulation will be satan's greatest feat ever.


22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    Explanation for above:  Jesus is saying that the deception (Tribulation) will be so powerful that even God's Elect (True Christian followers in end time) would themselves even be deceived had not God shortened the times, time and a half in the book of Daniel to 5 literal months (Rev 9:5 & 9:10).  This is also a clue that God will have His end time Christians on the earth during the Tribulation.  In the next verse, Christ identifies the nature of that Tribulation which will be greater than any before it even unto the ends of time.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    Explanation for above:  Here is the Great Tribulation, the false christ antichrist that stands in Jerusalem claiming to be God, claiming to be the awaited Savior of the world: "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." {2nd Thes 2:4}.


24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

    Explanation for above:  Jesus is warning that an impostor is coming first. It's not the first time the Word of God warned of that: "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"  {2nd Thes 2:2-3}.  In the next verse Jesus will tell you how the true Messiah shall come.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (KJV)

    Explanation for above:  To the whole world, every one shall know when the true Messiah Jesus Christ comes: "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." {Rom 14:11}.

It is upon Jesus Christ' return at His Second Advent AFTER the Tribulation of those days that we see the wrath of God type stuff, Armageddon, etc.

        Another common misconception, and perhaps the most dangerous of all, that I see here is that you (Rapturists) suppose that satan/antichrist is going to be killing Christians, demons flying around loping off Christians heads, hell on earth type stuff.  He cannot!  God bound him and his fallen angels (locust army) from doing any such thing.  Satan cannot kill anyone EXCEPT the Two Witnesses, and when he accomplishes that then Christ returns and has His Second Advent {Rev chapter 11}, but he can destroy with deception.  Not only cannot satan and his fallen angels (locust army) kill Christians, they cannot even kill heathen satan worshipers.  Observe St. John's word on the matter while being aware of when this happens, it happens in the FIFTH TRUMP out of the seven, you remember that your great Rapture verse {2nd Cor 15:52} doesn't happen until the LAST TRUMP, the seventh which is the Second Advent!:

    1 Cor 15:52
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump [the seventh trump {Rev 11:15}]: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (KJV)

        Ok, let's look at what the Holy Spirit revealed through John, and it should be very important to you because by your own Rapture verse and Rapture timeline you see that you will be here for what happens below:

Rev 9:1-5
1 And the fifth angel sounded [fifth trump], and I saw a star [lucifer, the illuminated one, antichrist, devil, satan, death, serpent, dragon, beast; what ever name you want to call him, he has many] fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts [locust army - fallen angels - supernatural evil beings] upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt [deceive, tempt] the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree [thus we see that they are not insects]; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them [the ones that they CAN deceive], but that they should be tormented five months [shortened from the 7 years of Daniel - 70th week] and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. [a scorpion dissolves backbone and all and consumes its prey from within - a type of deception] (KJV)

It is written that antichrist comes in peacefully and prosperously and will destroy wonderfully {Dan 8:24}, and that he corrupts by flatteries {Dan 11:32}.  Now that is pure evil genius, a 'destroying wonderfully':

    Dan 8:23-25
    23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up [antichrist/satan].
    24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. [end time Christians ON EARTH!]
    25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. (KJV)

    Dan 11:32
    32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God [faithful end time Christians ON EARTH] shall be strong, and do exploits.  (KJV)

Satan is coming as an impostor to Christ, he cannot be outwardly evil acting and still deceive anyone. Satan is not interested in killing your body, what does that gain him?  He knows that when he gets here he has but a short time {Rev 12:12}, so killing a body that is going to be discarded in a matter of months at the Second Advent means nothing to satan.  But satan knows about the eternal body residing in the flesh body (the true teaching of {1st Cor 15:35-52}), it is that which satan seeks to destroy - our souls in Hell!  He will attempt to deceive God's Christians into worshiping him (satan/antichrist).  Satan already has a lot of the other heathen and pagans, but the Christian, that's his mark!  He knows that he cannot torture you into following him, but he can deceive you into it.

Richard your error is apparent  But let me just Thank-you for taking the time to explain your particular Rapture beliefs.  For in doing so you give opportunity to clear up misconceptions that are keeping others in deception.  Though we know that you are being sincere, you have just been taught falsely in the many Rapture churches of these end-times that have supplanted traditions of men where sound Biblical doctrine should be.

I think it all comes down to what one means when they say “Rapture.”  Since the term is not in the Scriptures, we must guess what each other means, every man placing his own spin on the term.

        Now I understand all the “Harpadzo,” “Rapere” stuff, which I feel feeds into the great confusion.  [Note:  Harpadzo is the Greek word that means to violently seize by force, it is this that they claim is their Rapture.  The word Rapere is a French word and they claim that this somehow supports their Rapture.  By manipulation these foreign language words they have been told that the word Rapture is in fact in the Scriptures, and that it takes on some secondary meaning that they (the Rapture Doctors) attributes to it.  They believe this.  It's all smoke and mirrors!]

I do not argue the point that Christ Jesus shall return to this earth and change His believers in a twinkling of an eye into their spiritual bodies without them tasting of flesh death.  I also do not argue the point that Christ Jesus shall return to this earth and slay the unfaithful and the evil (thus transforming them into their spiritual bodies by the death of the flesh).  For it is written that “We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed” (1 Cor 15:51).

I run into problems with ‘Rapturists’ over the relative timing of these events and the sequence of them.  All ‘Rapturists’ (Pre, Post, Mid, Two-Stage... Tribulation Rapturists) place a significant period of time between these two events (the ‘bad’ dying, and the ‘good’ being transformed without dying). Herein lies the problem.

Those ‘two’ events happen at the same time, or at best, are separated by minutes, not months or even days.  Observe the Scripture you supplied bearing in mind my above comments:

    1 Cor 15:50-52
    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [die], but we shall all be changed [transform into spiritual bodies],
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed [i.e., at the Last Trump]. (KJV)

        Verse 52 both sets the timing of the event and also causes some confusion regarding one segment of the verse. The timing is clear “at the last trump.” That is pretty strait forward, the last trump, that means there are no more after it, it is the end.

The confusion comes in regarding the statement “and the dead shall be raised incorruptible.”  It is widely regarded in the rapture Churches, though errantly, that these dead are ‘good’ people that died in times past, and that this is them raising from their graves to joint the Rapturists in their reward, i.e., being ‘Raptured.’  As far as I can tell, this is very consistent among Rapture beliefs regardless of whether it be pre, mid, or post tribulation Rapture doctrine.  But they err in that they seem to be unaware that when we (all) die we (all) instantly go back to the Father (Luke ch. 16), we do not remain in the grave with our rotting flesh.

The main problem, I think, is centered around the meaning of the word “incorruptible” as it is used here.  Many suppose that this word refers to moral character, i.e., an ‘incorruptible person’ thus receiving just recompense for a life lived well and rewarded for faith in Christ by ‘going to Heaven,’ in other words, a saved person.  This is incorrect and is not at all what the word and the Scripture is referring to.  The misunderstanding of this feeds into the Rapture debate in no small degree.

Let’s look at the word in the Strong’s, and then follow-up with explanation and some Scripture:

    incorruptible: Greek word #862 aphthartos (af'-thar-tos); from 1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of 5351; undecaying (in essence or continuance): KJV-- not (in-, un-) corruptible, immortal.

This word in our Scripture is referring to the flesh body verses the spiritual body.  This entire Scripture is about the change of body at the Second Advent.  In fact Apostle Paul is rather blunt when he sets the stage for this entire Scriptural truth, Paul prefaces this Scripture by telling us what it is that he is speaking of:

    1 Cor 15:35-36
    35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
    36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: (KJV)

        Paul is not talking here about going to Heaven or going to hell, he is speaking about what happens to us when we die.  For we do not cease existing when we die, that only happens after Judgment Day when some shall perish in the Lake of Fire.  Paul uses the terms “corruption” and “incorruption” to refer to the flesh body and the spiritual body.  I know that the word “corruption” carries a secondary meaning in our modern English language, as in "a corrupt politician," thus the common confusion.

  Corruption of the body means decay, the rotting of the flesh back to the dust whence it came.  Nothing more, nothing less.  It was prophesied of Jesus Christ that His body would not see corruption, His body would not decompose (and it did not, for it stayed not in the grave):

    Ps 16:10 (speaking of Jesus Christ)
    10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [the grave]; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption [decomposition]. (KJV)

        Hell: Hebrew word #7585 she'owl (sheh-ole') or sheol (sheh-ole') from 7592; Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates: KJV-- grave, hell, pit.

Let’s reexamine our Scripture regarding this “corruption”:

    1 Cor 15:42
    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption [flesh that rots]; it is raised in incorruption [spirit that is immortal - unless God blots it out AFTER Judgment day]:
    (KJV)

    1 Cor 15:50
    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God [because flesh rots back to dust]; neither doth corruption [flesh] inherit incorruption [immortality - un-decomposing, un-perishable]. (KJV)

What these Scriptures are saying is that, in the first Scripture (1 Cor 15:42), we die and our body corrupts in the grave, then we resurrect in a spiritual body that does not decay.  (This happens at the moment of the individual's death.).  In the second Scripture (1 Cor 15:50), that flesh can not be in the realm of God (for God is spirit and not flesh — Jn 4:24), and that a temporal flesh body cannot live eternal.  There two bodies within us each, a flesh body and a spiritual body.  When we die our flesh corrupts back to dust but our soul and spirit live on in our spiritual body (unless and until God Judges it to death at Judgment Day):

    1 Cor 15:42-44
    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption [flesh]; it is raised in incorruption [spirit]:
    43 It is sown in dishonour [flesh]; it is raised in glory [spirit]: it is sown in weakness [flesh]; it is raised in power [spirit]:
    44 It is sown a natural body [flesh]; it is raised a spiritual body [spirit]. There is a natural body [flesh], and there is a spiritual body [spirit]. (KJV)

        None of this has to do with ‘making it to Heaven,’ for even though the ‘evil’ among dead do rise, as do the ‘good’ people who die, some rise only to be judged to hell (Lake of Fire), and some rise to eternal life in Heaven.  This determination is not made until Judgment Day, and all are in spiritual bodies at that time (God will not punish anyone till the have been fairly judged and sentenced).  A spiritual body is eternal EXCEPT and UNTIL God destroys it in the Lake of Fire (commonly, though errantly, referred to as hell):

    Rev 20:11-15
    11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell [this is what we call the grave - to die] delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire [this is what we errantly call hell]. (KJV)

        One last note: The Rapturist fabricates a second Judgment Day (called by them, the Bema Seat Judgment) to accommodate their fabricated second Second Advent (Rapture).  There is only one Judgment Day, there is only one more Advent of Christ.  There is no Rapture before the Second Advent of Christ.  You may call the gathering back to Christ at the Second Advent a Rapture is you like, but in addition to being inaccurate, it confuses the heck out of everyone and everything.

Iven; Anonymous; and other Anonymous ; (?)  Filman and Raffell, Being that you three or maybe four of you seem to have the same infilling of the spirit  of the prince of the Air, also known as the covering Cherub who was made perfect in the day God Created Him until Iniquity was found in Him.

That very same spirit proceeds you from the very first utterance you spoke with the type'd word you all have been so careful to call Gods word as a evil source, when it is given to others to give again to whomsoever, Many are called as the spirit give's utterance to them, however few are chosen, and those who are Chosen suffer  many things from those lost souls who God try's to steer in the heavenly direction, however when the truth is given to them they say speak only things we want to hear, and if you speak other wise we will kill you, and this is seen through-out Gods words,and where He sends His Chosen to bring the good news but as in the day's of old they still repent not and still blast His chosen as devils, even did so to the the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. so in your seemingly wise way's you all concoct a story made of quotes from his words taken out of text to support your hatred of the truth, and as you attack me it Hurts me not, but the sad thing is this; you cause many to fall with your false wisdom's, and supported by qoute's from the word of our Creator and applied with all substance of the enemy from the seat of Persia, those that you give false Guidance too with unholy legence shall require your blood for the loss. as it is written .