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from Yechiel's note we read:

""He[jesus] is not even alleged to have ever said or thought that a person must believe that Jesus was G-d or the Messiah or anything like that as a pre-requisite to Heaven. Those ideas come SOLELY from some of his followers long after he was dead. If he had known they would come up with that stuff he most likely would have rebuked them and straightened them out<<< Shalom; Yechiel""

I agree. As I have often said, "If Jesus were physically with us now, I doubt that he would even be a 'Christian.'

I do not believe he would approve of the way people of some denominations have misquoted and deconstructed sentences to come to their conclusions of exclusion, when Jesus of all people was for inclusion.

He[jesus] rebelled against excluding those who were outcasts in his own time. He ate with sinners. He forgave thieves and prostitutes.

Those who claim to have the only true knowledge of what Jesus said and meant are using language as a power play. Power.

That is why they become so emotional and write or speak with such certainty about the well-being of the souls of all others who do not express their love of God the exact same way that they insist is right.

Language is power play, and when a person continually deconstructs statements of others to suit themselves, they are not following Christ, no matter how loud they shout or how mean they decide to be. Love, njoy

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How many drivers does the train have mikeC?

mikeC says to njoy: By that statement of yours, it sounds to me as if both you and jameslee are still searching.

I cannot speak for Jameslee, but as for me, the answer is "Yes," I am searching and trying to learn more and more and more.

I hope I never get to the point where I can say, "My way is the one and only way to think about the Spirit we worship, and you are wrong in your thinking and probably going to Hell for thinking the way you do."

I pray to God that I never become like that. I want to continue searching as long as I live.(and asking questions and making remarks)

If and when we stop searching, we become certain of our position to the point that we become arrogant. I hope that never happens to me.

MikeC

Njoy I have never said where one goes. That is not me, you know that. Don’t confuse me with Anonymous. You said, "If and when we stop searching, we become certain of our position to the point that we become arrogant." I understand what you are saying. When we become certain of our position can you tell the difference between arrogant’s and strength ? They both can come across the same way.

mikeC says, speaking to njoy: maybe, Antonymous is to much of an adversary for you and jameslee to handle

I am not trying to "win" or "beat" someone in a debate. I am not trying to argue with anyone. I am trying to learn as much as I can about the Spiritual life.

Because, within my own heart and mind, I know what I know about my God, my Savior, Christ Jesus, I am eager to learn more and more and more.

The subject of religious spirituality and love of God is a never ending story, in my humble opinion, and it is not a competitive "game" as you seem to think it is. At least I do not feel competitive about my views vs your views.

When I make a statement you do not agree with, if you are certain of your relationship, you do not have to "put others down" by any means necessary. Those who know their own hearts in relationship to God do not need to do that - ever.

My statement stands: Jesus, while here on earth (physically) was never a Christian. He was a Jewish man. A compassionate and intelligent thinker, and he knew who he was in relationship to God. He shared that news to his own peril.

I think he wanted that peril in order to fulfill the scriptures he cared so deeply about. I think he was anointed by God to do so. I think he was God's only Begotten Son. I think his work on earth was mythologized by his followers long after he was crucified. That happens to many, if not most heroes.

I know that God does not condemn me for expressing my views, so who do you think you are for doing so?

You drive the train, you said, but you are not driving me, and I am not jumping off the train of inquiry. Because I care about our Lord, I want to stay on the train and continue learning.

""all i do is drive the train"

That sounds arrogant to me. Unless you mean "my own train" But, it sounded to me as if you are in charge of "driving THE train" of inquiry. We each drive our own train of inquiry, I think.

arrogant and strength. Yes, I can tell sometimes. You do sound an awful lot like AC most of the time (to me) and I hear more arrogance than I do strength. My hearing is probably flawed by listening to too much arrogance on this thread. That could be it. Words do matter, and language is quite often misunderstood. No one knows that better than Jesus.

MikeC

Njoy You said,"My statement stands: Jesus, while here on earth (physically) was never a Christian. He was a Jewish man. A compassionate and intelligent thinker, and he knew who he was in relationship to God. He shared that news to his own peril."

I am trying to tell you that the name Christian means only to believe in Christ, God himself in the flesh. To say that Christ is not a Christian is like saying that a horse is not a mammal. Christ was born of a Jew and that is it. Christ was not of the Jewish faith, Christ is the Jewish faith, they (the Jews) just don’t believe it. Christ had no relationship with God, Christ was and is God both in mind and spirit. Christ new he would not be excepted as the voice of God on earth and He expressed that.

Son of God is only a reference to the human host made availably by God himself for himself. It was God talking to those who would listen. Christ Jesus was not a prophet, a compassionate and intelligent thinker as in the terms of mankind, he was and is the objective to all those who seek the creator. Christ is the Word ! from the beginning.

Very Clearly expressed MikeC. Thanks. I will read and re-read it and take what you have said here to heart. I appreciate the clarity with which you have expressed yourself in this post.

Another thought comes to mind MikeC. In your view, is the INDWELLING the Jewish people acknowledge, what we call CHRIST? Both are the HOLY Spirit of God. Are they the same?

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NO. because Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ is God and was God in the flesh, therefore the Jews who do not believe in Jesus Christ and have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord God and Savior, have not received the Holy Spirit of God. According to Gods written word in the Bible.