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Yechiel I can only give you my perspective. First of all in my opinion G_d does not have a physical presents that we are aware of. When we pray, we hope we receive some kind of spiritual input. Now this does not pertain to a specific religion. We all claim to be spiritual at times. We all seem to come up with this feeling of awareness with the spirit of G_d. Not all of the time but enough if we seek the truth. There is a presents in us that we are all aware of. Not a physical presents but a presents none the less. My point on this specific principle, without matter, can there be change ? You bring up the line of David. We all know that the male gender in those day’s is where the line of family decedents was accepted. If Mary was never married, she would have been accepted into the line of David. Point being, in my view, seeing the Christ was conceived by God and not by Joseph. The decedent was still in the line of David. because of the lack of intimacy by Joseph prior to marriage. You may say that Jesus was the son of Joseph, I do not believe that. In my perspective, because of the lack of a relationship with Joseph prior to marriage, Jesus is still in the line of Dave. I am going to go back in time with you. At the time of the Prophets, they would pray and they (the Prophets )would hear the word of G_d then translate it to the people ). From Abraham to Moses this was the case. I first have to make my feelings known to you and hopefully in the right perspective. In Genesis when G_d said he will make mankind in his image and likened, it was not, in my opinion the physical likeness but the creative likeness, with the image being that of projection of, love, kindness, anger, etc. Here is the kicker in my view. When Jesus the Christ came into this world, we all took on the physical image of G_d. Did G_d change,? not really, He can attain anything he wants when he wants it. As I said before, going back in time, the Prophets praying then translating to the people. Because the thought of G_d where completely the thoughts of Christ, there was no translation. Everything Christ said was the direct word of G_d in my view. The power of the word cannot be changed because of It’s ability to manipulate the physical. The word has always been the word and the word has not changed.

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Have you ever considered that an awareness of some spirituality or god is nothing but a delusion?

Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

You just verified the Hindu Trimutri, as Khrushna was the "son" of the Creator God. Can we accept this?

As for your analogy, if you are driving down a road where you have been, and the speed limit was changed, how would you know it?

Same way with all knowledge! A theory We had the way of Torah we went by. You provide a theory which had to have a change from what all the people knew. Now, do you think G-d would sneak one in on us? That is what would have happened; the Pagan way, which He prohibits from us, becoming kosher without us knowing it.

There were many Jesus, then (not name, concept) in several of the religions. The Jesus you provide an interpretation for was introduced long after his death. We cannot accept it, unless G-d tells us it is OK. He never has!

This is the problem Judaism, and Jews particularly, have with your religion; you do not accept what G-d said to us; thus you have rejected vis a vas us, what G-d said.

He told us that (Duet.:39) He is all there is, and none else exist ('en be-rah). So as He restated this many times, we have no choice, if true to G-d but to not accept Jesus Christ. If a Jew does, no salvation for him!

You do not have to accept what G-d told us, but at least respect what we are required to do, and this for all "evangelist" stop trying to make up excuses, and accept that the Hebrew Christian sects are more of an affront to you all, than us.They lie in the name of Jesus. That along is enough reason to have no dealings with them.

They want Jesus, fine. They loose their salvation by what they are concurrently doing. This is a fact, not a theory, for one who lies in the name of G-d...

Mike, also think about this absurdity; according to Christian theory, us Jews have to be here to welcome your Jesus. If your evangelist succeed in converting all Jews, how can Jesus be welcome? Wont you then cancel his second coming?

Shalom;

Yechiel

Anonymous Comment

Mike this might help you to understand. Why the Jews Are Against Jesus

http://bible.org/seriespage/why-jews-are-against-jesus

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Yechielshlipshon : Mike, also think about this absurdity; according to Christian theory, us Jews have to be here to welcome your Jesus. If your evangelist succeed in converting all Jews, how can Jesus be welcome? Wont you then cancel his second coming?

Shalom;

Yechiel

Mike don't be decieved, the only absurdity is according to yechiels theory, NO WHERE in Gods word, NO WHERE in the bible does He say," Jews have to be here to welcome your Jesus...NO unbelieving JEW is going to welcome Jesus Christ, If you read your bible, God tells you what will happen when Jesus Christ returns.

NO ONE is going to cancel Jesus Christ second comming

Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

The link AC gave you in the above post is more propaganda.

1. Jews saved the Nazarene sect from oblivion by being the first followers of Jesus. It is not Jesus we reject.

2. There were several messianic sects, then. Some lasted centuries.

3. When the Gentiles took control from the Jews and the G-d-Fearing Gentiles, in the 3rd and 4th centuries, they Paganize it beyond what even the Nazarenes could accept, as what was the result was a New, Pagan, non-compatible with Torah (G-d's word) religion.

4. Then, before and after this process set in and was made official, the Jewish followers of Jesus were wiped out, or forced to convert. One of the last of these crimes was against the Bosnian Christians, in the 16th century, who held to a form of Christianity much like the Disciples put together, and the Jews, then, accepted.

Jews do not reject Jesus. We reject what the Pagans have done to his teachings, and the evil many have done to cover up their behavior. What we do accept are the vast multitude of people, accepting Christianity as they know it, who live good, decent lives.

Maybe G-d had a reason to have the Jewish version wiped out, and only your versions practiced? Anyway, I shared some other ideas with you which, with a little thinking, and reading the Tanach as it is written, can help you to better understand where we are, and why.

As for the other, just propaganda. Accept it if you wish, but as for myself and my people, we go with what G-d told us to do.

Under these instructions, the Pagan Jesus is forbidden to us.

As I said; mere propaganda on the evangelist part!

Good Sabbath;

Yechiel

Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

AC needs a reading class? I said in Christian theory.

Have fun.

Good Sabbath;

Yechiel

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Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

This is the problem Judaism, and Jews particularly, have with your religion; you do not accept what G-d said to us; thus you have rejected vis a vas us, what G-d said.

He restated this many times, we have no choice, if true to G-d but to not accept Jesus Christ. If a Jew does, no salvation for him!

Mike, NO WHERE in the bible does God tell a Jew not to accept Jesus Christ.

The prophets predicted a new covenant between God and humans — a new basis of relationship. The fact that a new covenant would be made implies two things about the covenant made at Sinai: 1) The Sinai covenant was temporary, serving a temporary purpose, and 2) it was not complete for God's ultimate plan and purpose. The new covenant, unlike the one made at Sinai, will last forever. It is designed for eternal life. "If there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another" (Heb. 8:7).

What was wrong with the first covenant? "God found fault with the people" (verse 8). God foretold this to Moses: "These people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them" (Deut. 31:16-18). The people were unable to obey the laws — and since the blessings were conditioned on the Israelites' obedience, the covenant was limited.

Isaiah used poetry and symbolism to describe a special servant of God. This symbolism was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Matthew 12:17-21 says that Jesus fulfilled Isaiah 42:1-4, and in Luke 4:18-21, Jesus says that he was fulfilling Isaiah 42:7. Acts 13:47 says that Jesus is the "light for the Gentiles."

The Messiah was the covenant — He was the basis of the relationship between God and his people. It is only through Jesus Christ that we can have an eternal relationship with God. "The Redeemer will come to Zion," Isaiah 59:20 predicts, "to those in Jacob who repent of their sins." God will make a covenant with these repentant people. His Spirit will be upon them, and his words will remain in them (verse 21). This is the new covenant.

The scripture has included all (both Jew and Gentile) "under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe." But before faith came, we were kept under the law, "Shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed." The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. After faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. We are no longer under the law.

For we are ALL (both Jew and Gentile) the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For all who "have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." For this reason there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for we are all one in Christ Jesus.

If we belong to Christ, then and only then are WE Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (See Galatians 3:22-29) Paul wrote, "He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God" (Romans 2:29).

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Yechiel we can read what God told you and everyone else. Stop lying to Mike and telling him God told you something else when we all can see by Gods word you are lying to Mike.

If we belong to Christ, then and only then are WE Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (See Galatians 3:22-29) P

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Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike, He told us we have no choice, if true to G-d but to not accept Jesus Christ. If a Jew does, no salvation for him!

As for the other, just propaganda. Accept it if you wish, but as for myself and my people, we go with what G-d told us to do.

Mike, what God told the Jews.

Jesus said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.

Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word. 44You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, you believe me not. 46Which of you convinces me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do you not believe me? 47He that is of God hears God's words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God.

MikeC

Anonymous, I like your short responses much better. Not that I should have any barring on this. But I thought you should know. To me, it keeps the topic and the principles in what you say, more controlled and more, in my opinion, challenging.