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Could someone inform me as to how anybody can have a faith in a belief or dogma without any credible evidence? The lack of evidence seems to warrant an agnostic position at a minimum. Don't you make something of biblical inconsistencies and outmoded dangerous ideas therein? How do you cherry pick and ignore the biblical absurdities and then feel comfy with faith?

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Physicalist

No one can tell you anything, you have your mind made up. You seem to have an inferiority complex and refuse to reach for something higher. It is your inability to accept and your desire to self destruct. This is obvious because you have refused many answers, but yet here you are again. Do you yourself not find that strange? You ask the question and ask the question and ask the question and ask the question and still you are here asking the question. There is no answer from any outside sources that you would accept, and as long as you refuse to ask from within, there is no answer.

You’re seeking the answer for all the wrong reasons, as long as you seek an answer to demonstrate health, supply, or companionship you will never realize the God experience. Spiritual awareness can only come when you have given up your old self and the caring about the outer scene of this world and are willing to take life as it is and work from within towards the goal of God realization. The answer to your question is so simple, but without effort on your part is useless. So if you come back with the same question we know it is not for the answer but to disrupt, or you will come back with a worthy question.

You said, "Spiritual awareness can only come when you have given up your old self and the caring about the outer scene of this world and are willing to take life as it is and work from within towards the goal of God realization".

The answer to your false gospel is so simple, You’re seeking Spiritual awareness from yourself. Without the spirit of Jesus Christ in you doing the work, the effort on your part is useless

What you need to see is that God REVEALS Jesus to us.  Just as He revealed Him to Peter (Matthew 16), so God reveals Him to us.  "Spiritual awareness is not the product of your  “flesh and blood.”  It is the work of the Holy Spirit. You must Repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ before God can place His Holy Spirit in you.

It is the holy Spirit that gives us "Spiritual awareness" It is not the product of your  “flesh and blood.” self.

We see in you what you see in Physicalist. No one can tell Physicalist. anything, no one can tell you anything, you have your mind made up. You seem to have an inferiority complex and refuse The Gospel of Jesus Christ, laughing and calling His Gospel a lie.

What is this false gospel of jameslee?  Turn to Matthew 4, Satan is offering Jesus all of the kingdoms of the world in exchange for worship.

This is the SAME gospel of jameslee – it is the offer of all that God wanted Jesus to have, but WITHOUT the need to get it through the Cross and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  Satan is consistent, I’ll give him that. And so it is here.

LOL

Dear Jameslee;

Think of it as a garden; you walk through it from one way, I from another. Same garden, but we each see it from a different perspective.

So looking at what you wrote, and the garden Claire and i are growing (and doing fine) I thought of that metaphor. He has planted His garden, we are the produce, the yield He gains from it.

Happy Harvest!

Shalom;

Yechiel

Same garden. You got that right.

Christ in You

When a person see the Truth of the gospel and puts their faith in Jesus Christ, God gives them the gift of eternal life – yes, but more than that -- God gives them Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ comes to dwell in those who receive Him – He becomes one with our human spirit. This is how we are, "planted into His death and resurrection," – Christ dwells at one with us in spirit. But because of that, everything He has done on the Cross, and everything He is through His resurrection, is likewise given to us in Christ. Thus, Jesus Christ in us IS our salvation – He is our life. Christianity is, "Christ in us, the hope of glory." (Col. 1:27)

The good news of the gospel states that you and I do not need to do anything to be saved except, "Repent and believe on Christ." That means that we must realize we are lost sinners, and desire to forsake our lives and any sin into the hands of God through Christ. Basically, it means that we cry out to God in need for salvation. It means that we come to the Cross and commit our entire trust for salvation to Jesus Christ and what He has done. We cannot earn salvation, and there is nothing we can do to KEEP saved. In fact, according to the Bible, good works are the outcome of salvation, and not the means of earning it.

For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:8-10)

There are a couple of other places in the Bible where the gospel is clearly stated, either in part, or in whole:

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. (1 Tim 1:15)

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand....for I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (1 Cor. 15:1-4)

     This is the simple gospel.  For those who embrace it, what follows is everything that is found in Jesus Christ.

Seeing Jesus Christ

When the Bible uses the term, "The Word of God," it is referring to any revelation that God speaks by any means – all of which will, of course, be affirmed in the written Word. But what IS God speaking? Hebrews 1:1 makes it abundantly clear that, "God is speaking to us IN His Son." The Greek says, "God is speaking Son-wise." In short, God is speaking or revealing Christ. Of course. For Jesus Christ is the Living Word of God. He IS the Truth. He IS the Light. He is embodied in any Word of God.

But again, the Word of God divides soul from Spirit. Perhaps we can now see WHY. The Word of God divides soul from Spirit because if God is speaking Christ, and we open our ears, we now know the Spirit – we now KNOW CHRIST. And by default, that means we will now what is NOT of Christ.

What is the key to all discernment? Is it to simply know Bible verses? People have tried to discern simply by comparing what they are discerning to Bible verses, but the problem is that you need discernment to understand the Bible verses as well. There are thousands of professing Christians everywhere who can tell you what the Bible SAYS, but are wrong about what it MEANS. Thus, if they take what they think it MEANS and use that faulty understanding as a tool for discernment, their standard is wrong. Their discernment will be wrong. There is a lot more in that which could be mentioned. But for now, it is sufficient to say that we need more than a knowledge of theology – even if we have a good one – to discern soul from spirit.

The key to all discernment is to know Jesus Christ. We have to know Him in an inward way. We have to not only know the Truth that is in Christ Jesus, but we have to be in the process of being MADE TRUE unto God through a knowledge of Him. Jesus Christ has to be our standard. Only then can we know what is OF HIM, and only then can we know what is NOT of Him. Only then can we know the soul from the Spirit.

If I handed you a cloth tape measure, like the one used by tailors, but did not tell you that the inch marks were actually 7/8 inches apart, you would be using as your standard for measuring a LIE. And yet if this lying tape measure was all that you had, how would you know? If you turned this cloth tape measure over on itself that would not help, for you would be measuring it by itself – and the lie would verify the lie. Only if you introduced a TRUE tape measure would the LIE be exposed. This is much how it works spiritually. You and I will never know what is of the soul or what is of the Spirit – let alone be able to function from out of the Spirit – until we clearly see and know Him whose Spirit is in us – Jesus Christ.

This is why Hebrews 4 says that The Word of God divides asunder soul and Spirit. The Word of God is God speaking Christ – it is God revealing Christ to us. And if we hear Him, and come to know Christ, the result is going to be that we are going to also know what is NOT of Christ. It will be clear to us what is of OUR soul vs. what is of Jesus Christ, who dwells in us.

Christians cannot know what is of God vs. what is of them unless they know CHRIST. There is no, "how to," manual. You have to know HIM.

Religious Flesh

The term, "religious flesh," means natural man trying to be a Christian by living from out of himself – to accomplish what he thinks is God’s will and purpose. This doesn’t mean the person lacks Christ in them. It simply means that Christ cannot live through them – instead, they try to live from soul power – from human effort.

Of course, as already discussed, this error is the result of not coming under the work of the Cross, either by refusing to do so, or because the person is ignorant. But such a person has really never experienced a dividing of soul from spirit. They really don’t know the difference. Consequently, the operate from the soul thinking they are living from the Spirit of Christ.

The Bible describes these possibilities with the phrases, "walk according to the flesh," and, "walk according to the Spirit." It is the same principle. To walk according to the flesh is to live from OUT OF the flesh, which is to live from OUT OF your SELF. You live by mustering up the assets of your flesh, and you receive from God by embracing Christ with your flesh. And you address all of your failures with your flesh as well.

Of course, what I am describing is really FAITH IN SELF, rather than faith that is solely in Christ – it comes down to that in the end. But we don’t usually know what we are doing at the time. There are thousands of well-intended Christian people today who are walking completely in the flesh – not bad or ugly flesh – but walking in religious and nice looking flesh, all the while thinking they are walking in the Spirit. They don’t know their soul from the Spirit of God.

This has resulted in ground for the enemy to accomplish great deception -- everything from false leadings to false revivals. Make no question about it, the soul realm in man can be a very powerful realm. People can become overwhelmed by it. This is how it gets passed off as the Spirit of God.

The Bible reveals that the soul realm – the natural realm – is the realm of the enemy. When God originally created Adam, the Spirit of God was one with the spirit of man. Man was intended to govern his soul and body through his union with the Spirit of God. But when Adam sinned, he walked away from God, and his spirit was no longer one with the Spirit of God – this is why man’s spirit is dead. What happened was that man’s soul and body then governed him. Satan gained control. And there was no escape.

Through Christ, man is reunited in spirit with God. But without Christ, the body and soul will continue to govern. Indeed, even if Christ is in me, and there is no division of soul from Spirit, I will not be able to truly walk in the Spirit of God. My soul will tend to govern me. The goal of Satan will be to try to convince me that my soul life is the Spirit of God