Discuss jameslee102447's answer to: Best Religion

Dear Mike and James;

One more item; you ask questions which some of them can be answer on the articles I am posting on Sundays, on this thread, and on another thread Friday evenings. Are they helping you?

Shalom;

Yechiel

Dear Friends;

On the Eternal Covenant, here is some info that corrects an error made recently. 

>>> http://sagavyah.tripod.com/id9.html

Path of Abraham

The Everlasting Covenant

The Law of Moses, the so called 'Old Testament' or 'Old Covenant' that the Almighty made with the Jews, was commanded to the people of Israel as an Eternal Guidance. The only individuals who are required to keep the body of commands included in this covenant are individuals whose mothers are Jewish or someone who has chosen to join the people of Israel (the Jews) by taking upon himself with an everlasting vow/oath to accept as binding on himself this Covenant, to uphold it.  According to the Torah, all other individuals are only subject to the 7 commandments of Noah.

[ The only exception is the Arab people.  They have an additional command to circumcise their male children on the 8th day.  If they fail to properly do so, there is no punishment.]

Psalm 111:5-9

        "He has given food to those who revere Him;

          He will remember His covenant forever. 

       He has made known to His people the power of His works,

          In giving them the heritage of the nations. 

       The works of His hands are true and just;

          All His precepts are certain. 

       They are upheld forever and ever;

          They are carried out in truth and uprightness. 

       He has sent deliverance to His people;

          He has ordained His covenant forever;

          Holy and awesome is His name."

Psalm 105:8-11, 45 

    He has remembered His covenant forever,

         The word which He ordered to a thousand generations, 

      The covenant that He made with Abraham,

    And His oath to Isaac. 

      Then He confirmed it to Jacob as a statute,

         To Israel as a covenant everlasting,

    Saying, "To you I shall give the land of Canaan,

      As the portion of your inheritance,"

....In order that they shall keep His statutes and observe His laws,

   Praise the L-RD!

Psalm 119:44 "So I will keep Your Torah - continually forever and ever."

Psalm 119:111-112 "I have inherited Your testimonies forever,  for they are the joy of my heart. For I have inclined my heart to do Your statutes forever, unto the end."

Psalm 119:144  "Your testimonies are forever right;  Grant me understanding that I may live."

Psalm 119:152  "From long ago I have known your testimonies, that You have established them forever."

Keep in mind - Whenever reading any verses in the Hebrew Bible (aka 'Old Testament'), read them with the historical context in mind.  For example, at the time King David wrote the Psalms, much of the rest of the Hebrew Bible was not yet written.  Therefore, any references he makes should be understood in the context of those books which were already written, which he had in his hands.

Leviticus 3:17 "It is a law forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.."

Leviticus 6:18 "it is a permanent law throughout all your generations.."

Leviticus 6:22 "by an eternal ordinance it shall be entirely offered.."

Leviticus 7:36 "it is an eternal law for their generations."

Leviticus 16:34 "Now this is to you an everlasting ordinance.."

Leviticus 16:29 "This is to you a permanent law.."

Leviticus 17:7 "This is to them for an everlasting law in all their generations.."

Leviticus 23:14 "is to you a perpetual ordinance in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.."

Numbers 15:15 "As for the community (of Israel), there shall be one law for you and for the one who converted and joined with you; An eternal Law throughout your generations, as you are, so shall the convert be before the ALL-TRANSCENDENT One."

Numbers 19:21 "So it is a law forever for them..."

And on and on and on...

Now, here for our purposes is the Biggie!

  A prophet or teacher (or preacher) who comes along and claims to believe that the 'Old Testament' is the Word of G-d, but at the same time believes that the 'Old Testament' is no longer applicable or valid, declares that the Almighty is a liar for saying all these statements listed here.  In addition to this, anyone who teaches that the 'Old Testament' is abolished and is no longer applicable fulfills Deuteronomy 13:5 "But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams must be put to death, because he has instructed rebellion against the L-RD your G-d.....seducing you from the way in which the L-RD your G-d commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the wickedness from among you."

 When this verse says 'the way in which the L-rd' commanded them to walk, it is referring to the Law of Moses, the Torah, as it plainly continues on to say:

 "...heed the voice of the L-RD your Gd, by keeping all His commandments which I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the L-RD your G-d."   - Deuteronomy 13:18

 "...the hidden things belong to the L-RD our G-d, but that which is revealed belongs to us and our sons forever to do all the words of this Torah."

- Deuteronomy 29:29

 See further:  Why Jews don't accept Christianity

 "The Torah of the L-RD is whole, restoring the soul; The testimony of the L-RD is trustworthy, making the simple wise."  - Psalm 19:7>>>

G-d Bless each and everyone of you.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Attn: Yechielshlipshon

No Yechieishipshion I do not have any trouble understanding why Jews stay with G-d, as you have perceived that He has told you. I never said that and I never asked. I said and very clearly that I do not believe that God contradicts Himself regarding the two faiths. And that the contradictions must be within the denial of the meaning of scripture and the interpretation of it.

As for your statement "The following may help you get started in learning the truth" how sad that it is that you should make such a statement, as if you know the truth and I do not. I really do not care why some Jews did not accept Jesus the Christ, then or now.

The only question that I asked was: is the God of Abraham in the Jewish Faith the same God as the God of Abraham in the Christian Faith? And if so how could He be contradictory. Rather you or anyone else believes that Jesus the Christ is the Messiah or Divinity or not is not in question and you have made it very clear that you do not.

Also your comment “Islam came after Christianity, as Christianity came after Judaism. I would not expect you to throw up your hands and say; "OK. I give up! I am a Muslim!" That would be just as ridiculous” That would be just as ridiculous as what, Jews accepting Jesus the Christ, I don’t believe that to be ridiculous.

The questions that I have asked above are clear and have already been answered within the Christian Faith within the New Testament, which is also the inspired word of God.

Now what I have been saying hopefully will water ones mind with the thought that both Faiths are True, not just yours. And the conclusion would be that it is not the scriptures of the two Faiths that are conflicting but the denial of the meaning of certain scripture and the false interpretation of certain scripture that is contradictory. My point is that I believe that both Faiths are True to the One God, and that the Tanach's and the Old and New Testament scripture are also true but that some have not accepted them and are still in denial and misinterpreting them, of which will be corrected. Trying to separate the two Faiths is wrong, and to do so is calling one true and one a lie.

Dear Jameslee;

All faiths are true, in some way. To the believer, and all who have a faith are believers, not just Christians, which is arrogant, so Jews are very comfortable that your faith is true. However, as I would lose my salvation if I become a Hindu, or convert to any other belief, so would I loose it if I accept Jesus/Christianity.

You stated; "As for your statement "The following may help you get started in learning the truth" how sad that it is that you should make such a statement, as if you know the truth and I do not. I really do not care why some Jews did not accept Jesus the Christ, then or now."

OK, you do not, and this is good. Fact is, we started the following which became Christianity and kept it going until the Gentiles took over. No problem, at first, but we made the error of not finding a way of uniting our sects, and then, the great devisions. This is where all of our sufferings begin!

All who did or would not conform to the new form, as defined by the councils were called heretics and even into the modern age, many were slaughtered by the other forms of Christianity, as the Bosnian Christians in the 17th century.

And you know of the even current anti-Semitism. It is clear to me the differences between us, as your fellow Christians continue to remind, themselves and us. These differences your fellow believers share, whither Catholic or Protestant, OK, but your theology, not ours.

Funny thing, James, we are not an evangelizing faith and have not been one for centuries. But, with all the pressure we get from those who want to convert us, there are more Christians who become Jewish, than Jews who convert to Christianity. This includes several ministers and others of the learned leading class. One reason they give is they study the Bible, and learn about the inconsistencies between our faiths. Then, they decide which way they have to go.

It is at least a 6 month to a year process, where we try to discourage would be converts at least three times, but they seek the truth and choose.

So I am not the only one, as someone said, who is bringing up these issues, they bring them up within themselves. Even in areas where there are no Jews they know. So you have to accept that many people see it different than what many Christians would like, but it is His way.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Yechiel

You say a lot without saying anything. It was a simple question and to answer one would have to stay on topic. You keep wanting to tell the world why you don’t believe, and why you cannot convert, no one is asking you to convert. I get it you do not want to answer. That’s ok don’t answer.

Then you state “Fact is, we started the following which became Christianity and kept it going until the Gentiles took over” are you out of your mind? And then you make another statement “there are more Christians who become Jewish, than Jews who convert to Christianity” you are out of you mind. These types of statements is why some do not believe that you are a Jew, I know I have my doubts.

You always lean towards self pity and negative thinking. So now I can only ask why would you even bring this up but to redirect away from the topic. You keep saying the same thing. But what you say is not commendable and is not the truth.

Dear Jameslee;

You are a Christian, with the Theology of Christianity.

I am a Jew, with the Theology of the Torah.

Have a good day.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Dear Friends;

What I post is based on the writings of either sacred literature, as the Tanach or the Gospels, or that of or from the ones who made the decisions to do whatever it is they decided to do. So if anything I have posted is not true, it is because the ones who made these decisions did not post in their writings, the truth.

To say what you disagree with is not the truth is disingenuous, and not to be taken seriously by those who do not engage in endless bickering. So if you have an honest question, and wish to communicate as so, fine. We can. If you just want to show me you are right, I am wrong, unless I agree with you, I have no reason to communicate with you.

I have no malice towards anyone. He is in charge, and within the framework of the free will we all have, I accept that you are right within your thinking. I also accept that no one has the right to harass another because you do not agree.

I only have this left to say, on the issues of where we are one faith compared (not opposed to) to another; any thought you have you can Google it and find many answers in what is posted. Good life and good luck;

Shalom;

Yechiel

Yechiel does blogging keep your mind off of your other hobby? Lets hope so Julius.

Teaching about the Nation of Israel

Jews believe that, for all time, they will remain God’s chosen people according to the covenant with Abraham. In particular, they look forward to the reign of the Messiah on earth, during which time Jews will always have a favored status over non-Jews. Non-Jews may receive some benefits of the Messiah’s kingdom, but never as fully as Jews do. Jews must always receive dominant blessings.

Non-Jews can receive eternal reward after the Messianic age, if they meet certain conditions; but Jews are born to receive that destiny. Jews reject any doctrine which gives Gentiles equal standing with Jews in the Messianic kingdom or which affirms Jews and Gentiles will receive their eternal rewards on the basis of the same conditions.

Consider the Bible teaching about these points.

A. The Old Testament Prophesied that Gentiles Would Receive the Blessings Offered by the Messiah.

As is characteristic of prophecy, these truths are not stated as clearly as in the New Testament fulfillment. But when viewed in light of first-century events, the meaning of the prophecies is clear.

Isaiah 49:6 - The servant (Messiah) who would restore Israel, would also be a light to the Gentiles and extend salvation throughout the earth. This is cited in Acts 13:47 showing the blessings of Jesus were for Gentiles too.

Amos 9:11,12 - When God restores the tabernacle of David (i.e., his family would rule as king), all nations (not just one nation) will be called by God's name. This is quoted in Acts 15:13-18 to show Gentiles could be saved on the same conditions as Jews.

Genesis 26:4 - God made great promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (12:3; 22:18; 28:14). He said their descendants would become a great nation and receive the land of Canaan, and also that through their descendants all nations would be blessed.

This is fulfilled in Jesus who came as the Messiah and offered forgiveness to all people of all nations (Gal. 3:8,16; Acts 3:25f). Note that this blessing was to come through Abraham's descendants, but it was to come to people of all nations.

This was the last of the three promises to Abraham. When it was fulfilled at Jesus' death, there was no longer any reason for Israel to have any special status in God's plan. All promises to national Israel have been fulfilled.

Matthew 28:19f; Mark 16:15f - Salvation is now available to all people from all nations in the whole world on the basis of the same conditions. He who believes in Jesus Christ  will be saved.

Isaiah 2:2,3 - When the Lord's law went forth from Jerusalem and His house would be established, all nations would flow into it. This is fulfilled in the New Testament church, which is the Lord's house (1 Tim. 3:15). Gentiles as well as Jews may enter (Eph. 2:11-20). [Hos 2:23; 1:9,10; cf. Rom. 9:25,26; 1 Pet. 2:10]

[Also cf. Isa. 42:1ff to Matt. 12:18ff; Isa. 65:1 and Deut. 32:21 to Rom. 10:19f; Isa. 11:10; Psa. 18:49; 2 Sam. 22:50; Deut. 32:43: Psa. 117:1 with Rom. 15:9-12; Luke 4:24-34]