Discuss MikeC's answer to: Best Religion

Dear Physicalist;

Someone in the 1960s proved that a current person does not exist. So what does this cartoon have to add to thet long list of foolisnness?

Back to the drawing board, again!

Shalom;

Yechiel

Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Why we cannot even experiment with another religion, as say your faith. "I am a Jealous G-d..."

As you try to think of a way to counter what I said, remember-it is not me, Mike; no, no, no-it is not me who Authored this. He did, and those of us who have any sense obey Him. So be careful "how you share your faith" , so you do not cross the line.

"and those of us who have any sense obey Him. So be careful "how you share your faith" , so you do not cross the line".




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Jesus said the Jews would crucify some more (including Himself!). And He said for that reason they filled up the cup of their fathers. In other words, the Jews went overboard and crossed the line. They did the same thing as their fathers in persecuting men of God.

 
But to reject Jesus Christ, the very Son of God, their Savior, Jerusalem was the epitome of evil. And for that reason the Jews would experience the desolation of their "house".


Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation  . O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!  (Matt 23:36-37)


In the old times, the Jews killed all the prophets, all the rig hteous teachers; a thousand times they left Christ and worshipped the devil, and to such an extent, that they made a statue of a calf and worshiped it like a god, as they do until today

The idea of a curse upon Jews of the last two thousand years is also implied in  Romans 11 refers to God blinding  those Jews for the sins of crucifying their Savior Jesus Christ, when Paul writes:


What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. (Rom 11:7-8)


And now, since the Jews can not re-crucify Christ, every Good Friday, they make a likeness of Him out of wax and they crucify Him, and then they burn it; or they take a lamb and they beat it with knives and crucify it instead of Christ.

Do you hear how bad the Jews and the devil are? When the Jewish child is born, instead of teaching it to worship God, the Jews, motivated by their father, the devil, teach it to swear and curse our Christ and our Holy Virgin. And they can spend fifty, one hundred coins in order to find some Christian child to kill it, to get his blood, and to commune with it. The devil wants people to drink the blood of children, not God. Christ orders us to wish good and pray for the whole world. The Jew, as much as he be a friend of yours, go, tell him “good morning”, and eavesdrop to hear what he will say. You wish him good and greet him, and he curses you and wishes you “bad day”, because the good day is of Christ, and the Jew wants neither to hear it nor to say it.

Look a Jew in the face when he laughs; his teeth become white and his face is pale like a cursed cloth, because he has God’s curse, and his heart cannot laugh. He has the devil inside him, who does not allow him. Look, too, a Christian in the face, even if he is a sinner; his face glows, the grace of the Holy Spirit is overflowing.

The Jew kills a lamb, and the front half he keeps for himself, and the rear he damns it and sells it to the Christians in order to pollute them.

And if the Jew gives you wine or raki, it is impossible for him not to pollute it first; and if he does not have time to urinate in it, he will spit in it.

When a Jew dies, they put him in a big basin and they wash him with raki, and they clean off all his dirt, and that raki, they fix it up with aromatic flavors, and then they sell it cheaper to the Christians.

When the Jews sell fish in town, they open the fish’s mouth and urinate inside, and then they sell it to the Christians.

The Jew tells me that my Christ is a bastard, and that my Holy Virgin is a whore. The holy Gospel, they say that it was written by the devil. If a man calls me names, if he kills my mother, my father, my brother, and then he takes my eye out, it is my duty as Christian to forgive him. But if he says curses against my Christ and my Holy Virgin, I do not even want to see him.



Why did I tell you these things, my Christians? Not for you to go around killing the Jews or harassing them, but in order for you to weep for them, how they abandoned God and went with the devil. I told you these things so we repent now that we still have time, so that God does not get angry with us and let us out of His hand, and we reach the sorry state of the Jews, or a even worse state.

Dear Recoil;

I have more respect for your religon than what those persons showed, but it is your  faith and religion, not the one HaShem has us accept.

I do not "reject" any faith or religion, as all is in His Providence, not ours. All I ask of anyone-if I am asked- is to do the best to follow your faith and to respect all others.

A couple of short sighted persons here have posted false-hoods about His Chosen People, our faith and His teachings. That is their problem and I do not lower myself to debate. Discuss, without the cuss, yes. So my friend, have a good day and GBY.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Dear Friends;

Here is a cuit story which makes a point of our relationship with the All M-ghty;

[An oven] that was cut into parts and sand was placed between the parts, Rabbi Eliezer maintained that it is pure (i.e., not susceptible to ritual impurity). The other sages said that it is susceptible to ritual impurity....

On that day, Rabbi Eliezer brought them all sorts of proofs, but they were rejected. Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, may the carob tree prove it." The carob tree was uprooted from its place a distance of 100 cubits. Others say, 400 cubits. Said they to him: "One cannot prove anything from a carob tree."

Said [Rabbi Eliezer] to them: "If the law is as I say, may the aqueduct prove it." The water in the aqueduct began to flow backwards. Saidthey to him: "One cannot prove anything from an aqueduct."

Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, then may the walls of the house of study prove it." The walls of the house of study began to cave in. Rabbi Joshua rebuked them, "If Torah scholars are debating a point of Jewish law, what are your qualifications to intervene?" The walls did not fall, in deference to Rabbi Joshua, nor did they straighten up, in deference to Rabbi Eliezer. They still stand there at a slant.

Said he to them: "If the law is as I say, may it be proven from heaven!" There then issued a heavenly voice which proclaimed: "What do you want of Rabbi Eliezer -- the law is as he says..."

Rabbi Joshua stood on his feet and said: "'The Torah is not in heaven!'1" ... We take no notice of heavenly voices, since You, G-d, have already, at Sinai, written in the Torah to "follow the majority."2

Rabbi Nathan subsequently met Elijah the Prophet and asked him: "What did G-d do at that moment?" [Elijah] replied: "He smiled and said: 'My children have triumphed over Me, My children have triumphed over Me.'"

He siad it, and the majority shall follow Him.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Hi all... on vacation here so just  a quick comment on Mary's virginity statis.   IF... we were speaking of a mundane topic here the word "virgin" would simply reference someone who was free 'untouched' in a physical sense...  however we are addressing here a topic of not mundane interest but of a spiritual interest.   That changes everything.    When the topic shifts to the Divine then the word 'Virgin' must also be taken not in its physical sense but in its Spiritual sense.   One who is a Virgin in a Spiritual context means that they have died the "One True Death"... the death of the 'false' ego ... they have, by grace alone, been lifted out of the dualistic state of Good VS Evil... and into the non-dual Transcendent state of Absolute Perfection.  Here there is no sense of sin at all because sin requires ACTION and this Divine Christ State is a state of Perfect BE~ing... as in the verb TO BE.   Here one Realizes that they are NOT the "DOer"... no action is actually taking place but only the dualistic mind's experience of it.   

Consider the dreamer who dreams they have stolen a horse.... only to AWAKEN and realize that they had DONE nothing, their head had never left the pillow.   The Transcendent Divine State of Absolute ONEness and Perfection is like that.   No sin can enter into that Absolute State of pure ONEness.  

A person who, by grace alone who has been allowed to enter into that most Divine State is totally FREE of sin... it is actually impossible for them to sin.  Even if Mary had 5 children out of wedlock  still ... from the non-dual spiritual state of Transcendent ONEness... she has not sinned   because she has truly DONE nothing.    

It is my sense then that Mary could very well had numerous children in a very normal way and remained always a Virgin  ... in its Spiritual context.

When people know only the dualistic state all they can do is translate from that state and assume ( incorrectly) that virgin was referencing a Physical state.... but this is not necessarily so at all.   In fact in the context of mother of a Divine BEing... one would be better off assuming the word Virgin was being used in its Transcendent context.... a Spiritual Virgin... untouched not in a mundane physical sense... which frankly makes no sense at all.... but untouched by sin ... in a non-dual spiritual sense.    This perspective actually elavates Mary's purity... rather than diminishes it.

~ Peace ~

Onceagain I agree with NJoy here.   Unless one is a born Avatar... to say...they are born a fully realized Grace Bestower... they must first go through the rare process of Awakening. 

The type of "Baptism" Jesus of Nazareth went through was no ordinary baptism... This baptism moves one from the ordinary experiential dualistic state into the Divine Transcendent state of Absolute ONEness.

His 'false' ego was annihilated so that His True SELF could come forward and be Realized.  THIS is the "One True death"   and has nothing to do with physical death.   So until He received that MOST powerful gift of grace (called Shaktipat in the Eastern Mystical traditions)  .... until that moment ... He was NOT The Christ but only Jesus the man.  After Shaktipat He became not only a fully Realized Being, fully aware of His Christ Status... but He was also given the power of Grace Bestower.   This is an extremely rare title  BUT .. not quite as rare as some would have us believe.    For any group to claim they alone have access to THE Grace Bestower is foolish since no one group can own "God".   Some would like us to believe that they own the one way to "God" , to Christ Consciousness.... just think of the power that would give them... So of course they would like us to believe them... but anyone who has actually met The Grace Bestowing Christ nows full well that this is not the case. 

John the Baptist was a designated Grace Bestower in His own right... it was through Him that Jesus Himself was ABLE to realize His own Christhood.  

So  because of the Grace that flowed through John the Baptist ...Jesus also was able to REALIZE His True SELF..... the Christ within.  Jesus was not born The Christ.. He had to come to that realization through Grace via the supreme act of Grace Baptism.   Not until then was He able to be free of the 'false' ego.

BTW   it is this 'false' ego which is the cause of ALL our suffering....  therefore.. Jesus did NOT suffer on the cross... He had Transcended all suffering once He was free of the 'false' ego... years before.

Any suffering that people who were present at His crusifiction witnessed was their OWN suffering.. since that is what The Grace Bestower does... acts as a mirror for those around them  as their "sins" are released from them.   It was not Jesus' suffering but their own that they were experienced.   This acting as a mirror to individual souls has always been one of the functions of The Grace Bestower ... throught time.

   ~ Peace ~ 

Dear George and Faith;

Thnk you for our posts. As I have stated several ti,es, this is your religion, which ideas you posted here are not-in the way you stated verifiable from the Hebrew. It is your faith, nd as long as there is no prejudicial behavior from either of us, no different than all of the other faiths,as far as we can ascertain from His Word.

Versions are a differentthing, and many use the versions to disprove His word, but it is His word, so i leave it at that, as are tens of thousands of Gentiles in America and Europe, who le3arn Hebrew and then commit themselves to His word. Either as Christians who stay withy the faith out of love of family and culture, become Noahides, or convert to judaism.

So thereis a counter weight here that you can argue about-I wont- but it exists and works for them abd theirchildren.

As for me; I shall follow what He said, and GBY you all.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Lord help us!! Who called up that New Age gospel false spirit? More mind masturbation from the New Age satanic guru, words that are not even in the bible.

As Christians, we recognize the fallacy of Faith R's mind masturbation New Age way of thinking.  We know that man is finite and imperfect.  In fact, man has a sinful nature.  Only through faith in an eternal and omnipotent God may we be saved from our sin.  Faith R's New Age religion sees the Christian view of salvation through Christ alone as being divisive and exclusionary.   What she don’t see, is that the gift of salvation is free to EVERYONE.  The stipulation is that each person must accept that.  If you believe in Faith R's New Age Religion, please realize that the following are irrefutable truths:

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      There is such a thing as right and wrong.
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      There is a Heaven, and there is a Hell.
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      There is only one God, who is eternal in nature, and who created the universe and everything in it.
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      Man is finite, imperfect, and sinful.
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      God is not impersonal.  He loves you more than you can imagine.  He
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      loves you so much that He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to take on a mortal body, in order to be the final sacrifice for your sins.
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      God is just. He has provided this path for your salvation, but you MUST accept it.
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      God is as loving as He is just.  He is not willing that ANY should perish.
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      Eternal life in Paradise can be yours, provided you confess your sins, and accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.

 "What is Njoy's, Faith, and jameslees New Age religion movement?"

The expression “New Age” came into existence in the 1970s and 1980s. It was encouraged by the circulation of the New Age Journal and a book by Mark Satin called New Age Politics. Marilyn Ferguson’s best-selling Aquarian Conspiracy was a presentation of the social agenda and philosophical vision of the New Age. Ferguson’s writing attained status as the unofficial scripture of the movement. As Russell Chandler, one-time religious writer for the Los Angeles Times, wrote in his small booklet Understanding the New Age, “If Ferguson wrote the New Age ‘Bible,’ Shirley MacLaine is its high priestess.”

Shirley MacLaine’s book Out on a Limb chronicles her reluctant conversion to New Age belief. This book includes her travels and studies, which include science fiction-like dimensions, out-of-body travel, contact with extraterrestrial beings, and “trance channeling” (séances)—a “guided tour” of the unseen world. MacLaine’s second book, Dancing in the Light, tells about her reach into the world of yoga, reincarnation, crystal power, Hindu mantras, and past-life recall experiences mediated through acupuncture. Her spirit guides informed her that each individual is God, and she passed along the “wisdom” that a person is unlimited. One only has to realize it.

New Age thinking has its roots, then, in Eastern mysticism which bypasses the mind. There is a new organ of perception—the third eye—which gives spiritual light. One needs to get to the “psychic self” by training one’s self to ignore the messages from the mind. Really, it is throwing the mind in neutral.

The Western mind, of course, is trained differently. We are people who use our reason, hopefully. The New Age thinkers came along and said that the mind is not bypassed, but it is actually the mind that is achieving “cosmic consciousness.” They tell us that the mind can create reality.

Neil Anderson in his timely book Walking Through the Darkness writes this about the New Age movement: “The New Age movement is not seen as a religion but a new way to think and understand reality. It’s very attractive to the natural man who has become disillusioned with organized religion and Western rationalism. He desires spiritual reality but doesn’t want to give up materialism, deal with his moral problems, or come under authority” (page 22). Then Anderson summarizes the New Age thinking (pages 22-24) as follows:

(1) It is monism, the belief that all is one and one is all. History is not the story of humanity’s fall into sin and its restoration by God’s saving grace. Rather, it is humanity’s fall into ignorance and the gradual ascent into enlightenment.

(2) All is God. If one is one, including God, then one must conclude that all is God. It is pantheism—trees, snails, books, and people are all of one divine essence. A personal God who has revealed Himself in the Bible and in Jesus Christ is completely rejected. Since God is impersonal, He doesn’t have to be served. He is an “it,” not a “He.”

(3) There is a change in consciousness. If we are God, we need to know we are God. We must become cosmically conscious, a state called “at-one-ment” (a counterfeit of atonement), self-realization, god-realization, enlightenment or “attune-ment” (being “tuned in” to the cosmic consciousness). Some who reach this enlightened status will claim to be “born again.” This is counterfeit biblical conversion. The real essential is not whether we believe or meditate, but whom we believe in and what we meditate on. Christ is true personal objective reality, as He said that He is the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6).

(4) A cosmic evolutionary optimism is taught. There is a New Age coming. There will be a new world order, a new world government. The New Age thinkers believe that there will eventually be a progressive unification of world consciousness. This, according to the Bible, is a counterfeit kingdom led by Satan himself. Christ has the true kingdom, and He will one day rule on earth with peace for all who accept Him as Savior and King (Revelation 5:13).

(5) New Agers create their own reality. They believe that they can create reality by what they believe, so by changing what they believe, they can change reality. All moral boundaries have been erased by the metaphysical influence of Taoism’s yin and yang, the ebb and flow of competing and complementary forces. There are no absolutes because there is no distinction between good and evil. Nothing has reality until one says that it is reality or says that it is truth. If finite man can create truth, we are in desperate trouble in our society. Unless there are eternal absolutes from the eternal God, man will eventually become his own destruction.

(6) New Agers make contact with the kingdom of darkness. Calling a medium a “channeler” and a demon a “spirit guide” has not changed the reality of what they are. This is the kingdom of darkness of which Satan is the head, who asked Eve, “Has God said?” Those involved in this kind of activity are in contact with a world that is totally opposed to the biblical God revealed to us in Jesus Christ who defeated Satan in His life (Matthew 4:1-11) and then through His death and bodily resurrection (Colossians 2:15; Hebrews 2:14-18).

The New Age movement is a counterfeit that appeals to the minds of individuals leading them to think that that they are God and can enhance their lives through their own person. If this is thought through, it becomes quickly apparent that this is impossible. We are born, grow up, live a while on Planet Earth and die. Humans are finite. We can never be God. We need someone greater than us yet like us who can provide us forgiveness and life eternal. Only One has filled this description, the God-man, Jesus Christ. Through His death and bodily resurrection, He has won for us what we desperately need—forgiveness before God and the guarantee of purpose and meaning in this life with life beyond the grave. Don’t miss out on who Jesus Christ is and what He has done for you. Read John 3 in the Bible. Ask Christ to be your Savior. Your life will be transformed, and you will know who you are, why you are here, and where you are going.