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jameslee102447 Answered: I believe that it is Gods will that all be saved and if this is the will of God then IT IS.

Yes it is Gods will that ALL be saved, however, according to Jesus ALL will not be saved. What about “I never knew you.” These terrible words of the Lord Jesus will ring out as some famous preachers and people are cast into hell.

'Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? 'And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.' Matthew 6:21-23 I never knew you. Depart from me, ye that work iniquity (evil).

Who are these people? Jesus told us the ones to watch out for. What do they do? 'Many will say to me in that day, “Lord, Lord”…' They speak as if they know the Lord personally. But He does not know them. They act like they belong to Him, but they do not. They use the right words, the right jargon, they know our language, they talk Bible talk. They talk the talk, but they cannot walk the walk because they are not really Christians at all. They have never been born again (born spiritually by trusting in Jesus).

If you think ALL will be saved then you are calling God a lie.

Dear Friends;

I learned something interesting tonight.

As you know, we are the only people whom, I thought, had the claim that G-d came to our whole nation and spoke to us. In a You Tube vid on Judaism, by Rabbi Kennelman,I think it is, he found out that the Hari Krishna also have this claim.

He was talking about how a culture finds out about a revelation. All others have had a person meet the divinity, or its representative, and then he relates it to others. Sinai was different; we all met G-d and heard Him.

At the Battle of  bagudagita, their main god came down to then and talked to them. They all died! So we are still the only ones whom He spoke to and survived. Duet:  

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Advantages of Fidelity.1Now therefore, Israel, hear the statutes and ordinances I am teaching you to observe, that you may live, and may enter in and take possession of the land which the LORD, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.a2In your observance of the commandments of the LORD, your God,b which I am commanding you, you shall not add to what I command you nor subtract from it.3You have seen with your own eyes what the LORD did at Baal-peor:c the LORD, your God, destroyed from your midst everyone who followed the Baal of Peor;4but you, who held fast to the LORD, your God, are all alive today.5See, I am teaching you the statutes and ordinances as the LORD, my God, has commanded me, that you may observe them in the land you are entering to possess.6Observe them carefully, for this is your wisdom and discernment in the sight of the peoples, who will hear of all these statutes and say, “This great nation is truly a wise and discerning people.”d7e For what great nation is there that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him?8Or what great nation has statutes and ordinances that are as just as this whole law which I am setting before you today?f
You know what we have gone through all these centuries. It has been by fidelity to HaShem that we are still here. So if you want to say Yechiel's Tanach, Goldberg's Tanach, Smith's Tanach, fine. But remember, and take to heart, that HaShem is G-d in the Heavens above, and the Earth beneath, and there exist none other. (not another). Deut: 4:39
Truth always wins out over ego.
Shalom;
Yechiel

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You sure do assume a lot, read again what I said, you did not quote me at all. I said that it was Gods will and you quoted me as saying that all will be saved. Is there really something wrong with believing that all will be saved, or does this mean that I am going to Hell. Try and understand the point of the above answer and stop with condemning those that you assume are not in agreement with you. Implying that I called God a lie is revealing who you are. You could not have read the above with understanding and then debase yourself with such a comment.

My internal commentary has lead me to this two dimensional question: is it the will of God that all be saved? If the answer is yes then humanity without question would need to unite in Worship of our God. If the answer is no, then one must conclude that humanity can oppose Gods will and that there is a power outside of God. My personal belief is that Gods Family will find and show the way through which all will be saved, and continue to unite in worship, and the desire to extend Gods Love.

What I am expressing is that there is one God and He does not have power but is the Power, and that there is nothing outside of God. The last judgment will be the day the human race realizes in full that none of us are separated from the only true God, and that Gods will and our will are the same. Now I know there are those who think they know the mind of God and may disagree with what I have said, but I also know they do not. What I believe is between me and God, I am sharing it here for those who can think beyond just words.

Dear Jameslee;

Right! I did not quote you. I stated a fact of Scripture, my only intent. 

We are two separate religions with two separate agendas, as you and AC have proved. 

There are millions of Njoys in the world who accept that G-dliness and our basic humanity is what matters to Him, as long as the person makes an honest attempt to abide by His way, as that person's faith teaches Him. The assumption seen in Gospel that there is one way, their way, to meet our maker is a survival tool, nothing more, for a new faith fighting, as they saw it, for their survival.

Since then, most understands that this tool is over worked, and in our world, more good shall be done to look deeply into the Tool and see what is available and works.

Christianity is strongest when the people work it, instead of talk it, as is Judaism.

I had a strong lesson in this, this morning. I took Richard's blood readings and blood pressure. They were good. Then, I took mine. Sometimes I have a problem with it.

My reading was 153/111 53 pulse. Not good. I had to wait for Claire to wake up, to find the meds I take for it. While waiting, I sat outside on the back porch smoking my pipe, and thinking about the Torah and my conversations on it. 20 minuets later, I had an impulse to check it again. 120/90 53 pulse! Torah all the way!

So you see, my friends, Jews are also "born again" often, as well, as are other persons of other faith communities. The rest is commentary!

Shalom;

Yechiel

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I did not say you quoted me, I said that to

EagleFeather unless you are EagleFeather, then I stand corrected.

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Yechielshlipshon

Your statement "Christianity is strongest when the people work it, instead of talk it, as is Judaism.", this is the kind of thought from you that I have been hoping for, in this you indicated that both Faiths are equal.

jameslee102447

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You sure do assume a lot, read again what I said, you did not quote me at all. I said that it was Gods will and you quoted me as saying that all will be saved. stop with condemning those that you assume are not in agreement with you.

My statement of "If you think ALL will be saved then you are calling God a lie" .Sorry you assume I quoted "you" as saying that all will be saved. The YOU in that statement I was referring to ALL people who believe God will save everyone regardless. I guess I should have not used the word "you".

I know what you were saying, and I agree, It's Gods will that ALL be saved. My point was, It is Gods will that ALL be saved, and God will make sure that ALL hear His word and ALL be given a chance to believe and be saved.

Romans 10
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18.  But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

However, God said, ALL who hear His word will not believe. "I" was not condemning those that "I" assume are not in agreement with me.

It's was nothing that "I" said, to be in agreement with ME in the first place, It is what "God" said that I posted.

'Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? 'And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.' Matthew 6:21-23 I never knew you. Depart from me, ye that work iniquity (evil).

It was God who was condemning those who assumed they were in agreement with Him, but He said they were not. It is what God said that I'm in agreement with. It is true, it is His will that ALL be saved, yet God states in His word that, not ALL will be saved.

That was the point.

I understand, it's all about the word "YOU" being in a message directed to me.  I always use the word "one" such as "if one were.......".  But I do understand.

Dear Jameslee;

I think I have said that all faiths are equal. I posted several times that HaShem puts each of us where He wants that person to be, and it is up to that person to do the best he can, with what He has given him.

In the Tanach, HaShem says that He is the G-d of all nations, and the righteousness of each nation shall have his place in Heaven. So what part of that is "all nations are equal" can we not understand?

I know that for a Christian, the formula is essential. For us, the only "formula" is to "Love the L-rd, thy G-d, with all thy heart, and all of thy soul." All Torah is based on this (as you love HaShem, you shall do your best to carry out His teachings). Based on this concept, all who do so are equal.

One item I have also tried to get across is the Noahide, based upon the seven Laws of Noah. This is for all humanity. I noticed, and several times, I have asserted, Matthew 19:16-19. Here, Jesus states the Noahide code for that gentleman. He also states that only HaShem is good. If nothing else, the true Jesus did have humility.

Shalom;

Yechiel