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Miller, Samuside is a fine example of a believer who has no spiritual understanding. One who's teachings are but taught by men., we shouldn't expect anything less from a person who thinks that no believer receives understanding of scripture from the Holy Spirit  unless he speaks in tongues.


Any true  Holy Spirit filled believer can see the difference here

The mention of man in the sixth day creation of Genesis 1 refers to mankind which includes men and women, and all the races. Mankind (plural) as translated to “man” (singular) and created on the sixth day were hunters and gatherers, and there’s plenty of historical evidence going back long before Adam in Eden.

The male named Adam in Genesis 2 was “formed, not “created” (KJV) in the Garden of Eden, and began before or around 4,000 years B.C., or at least 6,000 years ago.


Consider the following verses, and note the mention of male and female, plus the plural “them” in Genesis 1:27.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Genesis 1:26 (KJV)

The humans of the sixth day creation were ordered to be fruitful and multiply,

Physicalist all of your criticism about me is incorrect. I have not spent near three years with you for you to be justified in believing what you wrote. You know as well as I that you give a space of time then ask the same questions or make the same statements just wording them differently, but the answers I post is a repeat of the answers already given you. All you have to do is reread all of the answers I posted to you to get the answers you are looking for. I know what I share with you is fact not what I believe or in pretense, you do not have the proof I do; all you know is religion you know nothing about the Relationship with God that the Holy Spirit provides through the New Birth.

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The New Birth is as much a fact as any scientific conclusion you believe that IS fact and not theory. The New Birth is a physical change that happens in the life of a person who receives Jesus as Lord and Savior; this is not religion it is a tangible fact. It is hard for me to believe you have never seen the New Birth happen to someone who was a friend of yours or a family member; a dramatic, immediate, instant, and radical change in their life and behavior that “religious” Christianity cannot cause, but only the New Birth can.

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No matter how much you want to deny it, those who are truly born again know as I do that you know nothing as you want people to believe you do. The New Birth is a fact the brain has no part in what happens and everything you say to the contrary is empty rhetoric without substance; a person who is truly born again knows this as well as I do. The New birth is not psychological it is physiological; because it is physiological this is why the New Birth is the tangible proof God does exist and the Word of God is inerrant and infallible.

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Samuel       9/6/2011

Physicalist you obviously do not know anything about Jewish customs in regard to education, or else you would not have posted all of the foolishness you did. Jesus was so well educated that a messianic Jew who posted a few comments about a year ago believed Jesus was a trained Rabbi and Pharisee. Jesus left carpentry to begin the ministry He was sent by God to fulfill. You obviously do not know anything about the Apostles either; nearly all of them had the potential of becoming rich men and were successful at their occupations. You need to stop quoting fools and research the true history for yourself.

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Samuel      9/6/2011

Mike:   This is where the virgin birth comes in.  A part of God,  in a sense,  his own DNA  a part of himself.  (God has no matter,  unless he wills it. ) Born of a woman.  Not to make everyone fear him,  what kind of a choice would that be ?   But to show us his love for us without giving himself away. 

FR:  Agreed in that "God" Pure Consciousness exists beyond FORM and matter,  but can also will ITs SELF to manifest as matter.   Divine Consciousness remains Constant whether THAT ONE is manifest or not.     One can think of Steam and Water both being H2O. 

As far as the "virgin" birth however... that word takes on different meanings depending on how it is used.... in its mundane dualistic state OR in its Divine non-dual state.  

The mundane meaning of virgin means untouched in the PHYSICAL sense.   However... when used in its non-dual spiritual context it means untouched by FEAR...fear being that which creates a sense of separation from the WHOLE, from "God", which is ALL Pervasive.   

Mary, Jesus' mother was a SPIRITUAL Virgin... she would have herself existed in the non-dual Christ State.. which is totally free of fear.  Sin cannot enter this most divine state.  

Mary could have had 10 children, she could have played the mundane role of a prostitute IF she so chose... and STILL she would have been a TRUE spiritual virgin.   Why:  Because such a one KNOWS  that "God" is the ONLY ONE here.    Just as Jesus IS "God"... we are ALL "God"...  most simply have forgotten this *ultimate* Truth. 

 Sin cannot touch one who has realized fully the Christ State for themselves... the ultimate gift of Grace, more precious than even heaven itself,  because they KNOW they are NOT the "DOer" of any actions... just as a dreamer never actually DOES anything... their head never leaves the pillow.  

IF we dream we robbed a bank do we turn ourselves in once we WAKE UP? 

 Ultimately speaking..... There is no bank, no money... there is ONLY "God"  playing all these roles  ... Witness to ITs own Divine Play.    Until grace strikes though... the awakening power of "God"... we will THINK we are the DOer, and the way we chose to live our lives will have a dramatic effect on how we, to say, our minds experience life.   Those who constantly chose LOVE... have a divine life, while those who chose fear  will suffer that choice.  The ultimate Truth is... there is no death.  We are THAT which has never been born and will never die.   To Know one's True SELF is to realize that "God" IS, ultimately speaking, the only ONE here.  Dream and Dreamer are ONE and the same.   We are the Cause and also the Effect.

 It takes Grace to even want to seek this Grace. This is how "God" plays a cosmic game of Hide and Seek... with "His" own Divine SELF.

Bottom line:  "God" is able to have "His" CAKE and eat it too.  

~ Peace ~

AC and Njoy… I have posted information about the virgin birth within the past year showing that  both of you have not understood the virgin birth correctly. Luke 1:35 in the Greek gives a different perspective than the one both of you want to believe. Using a modern scientific term (DNA) God took from Mary to "FORM" (“power” Gk. Dunamis’ complete meaning is “power to do miracles”) Jesus in Mary's womb; God did not inseminate Mary.

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If insemination [sperm] was the source Mary would not have been a virgin after Jesus' birth, nor would she have been a virgin if Joseph was Jesus' biological father. Mary was a virgin before Jesus' birth and she still was one after His birth; therefore a virgin gave birth to God's Son. Jesus was formed in Mary’s womb by the power of the Holy Spirit to create; do the miraculous, just as the first Adam’s body was created/formed from the dust of the earth.  

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If God inseminated Mary Jesus would be a demigod, since insemination was not what God did, Jesus is not only the Son of God He is also God in flesh [Immanuel/ God with us]. Jesus received His DNA strand from Mary for His physical body and His “nature” from God, God being His Father; Jesus was born with a righteous nature not a sinful nature because God is His Father not Joseph and not some soldier who raped her [an accusation Yechiel posted]. The Greek word the KJV translated as “holy thing” (Luke 1:35) also carries the definition “saint;” for us to be called a saint we must be born-again, the New Birth is when we receive God’s righteous nature in our soul/spirit; therefore for Jesus to be called a saint at His physical birth He would have to have had God’s righteous nature in His soul/spirit, which He did. If Jesus’ father was Joseph He would not have had God’s righteous nature in His soul/spirit He would have had a sinful nature like we were physically born with.

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Joseph’ genealogy was written in Matthew’s Gospel to show the Jew’s that Joseph could not have been Jesus’ father, because Joseph’s genealogy was cursed by God, that the Messiah would not come through his lineage [Jeremiah 22:30/childless]. The reason “childless” would have to be a reference to the Messiah is because after the Babylonian captivity Coniah’s grandson was made governor of the land of Israel. Yechiel knows Joseph’s lineage was cursed. Mary’s genealogy was given in Luke to show that Jesus received His Davidic lineage from Mary whose genealogy was not cursed.

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According to Yechiel the Messiah would flow through Solomon’s lineage, but since his lineage was cursed it is incorrect for the Jews to believe this. The promise of an everlasting kingdom was give to David to be passed on through his sons; therefore Nathan’s genealogy for the Messiah is just as viable a line for the promise of an everlasting kingdom to pass through as was Solomon. One note is that Nathan was David’s oldest son.

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According to Jewish custom a son or daughter received their birthright/genealogy from the father, and so it is even for us. Since Jesus did not have a biological father, His Davidic birthright had to come from Mary. Is there a law that gives Jesus the right to have His Davidic lineage through Mary? Yes. Mary’s biological father Heli did not have any sons; therefore Heli’s “posterity” fell to Mary [Numbers 27:8 the Hebrew word translated inheritance in the KJV also carries with it heritage = posterity/birthright].

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There are two beliefs I know of about Jesus’ “flesh.”  He was born righteous in body and in spirit or He was born with a body that had a sinful nature and the soul/spirit that had God’s righteous nature. I am inclined to believe Jesus’ body had a sinful nature and His soul/spirit had God’s righteous nature; for a number of reasons. Paul wrote Jesus was the second Adam; the first Adam had the potential to sin, which he did, the second Adam had the potential also but did not sin. If Jesus did not have the potential to sin; it was a useless cause for Satan to constantly tempt Jesus when Satan thought Jesus would have.

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If Jesus had a flesh that could not sin He had no reason to need a glorified body after His resurrection to enter Heaven (Jesus had a physical body resurrection, “flesh and bones” Luke 24:39 and so will those who die in Christ; a bodily resurrection 1 Thess 4:16; Matt 27:52-53); for the glorified body is a body that is pure and without a sinful nature. Scripture says Jesus was tempted in all points as we but without sin; temptation is not a sin, yielding to it is. If Jesus at anytime had done His own desires He would have sinned, but Jesus said He always did his Father’s will. The same applies to us, when we do what we want instead of what God wants; we commit sin. Sin is disobeying what the Holy Spirit tells us to do; just as Adam sinned when he disobeyed God.

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Samuel      9/9/2011

Good Morning Sam, You say I have not understood the virgin birth "correctly".  Such didactic terminology Sam!  It is true, my understanding differs from your own, but that does not allow you to assume that my way of understanding my God is not "correct."  The audacity!  But I digress.. You further say:

"Using a modern scientific term (DNA) God took from Mary to "FORM" (?power? Gk. Dunamis? complete meaning is ?power to do miracles?) Jesus in Mary's womb;the exact same way He "formed" you and me and all other infants born of all other mothers on this planet. God did not inseminate Mary.agree! to believe that the Almighty and Holy Spirit of Divine Love could/would "inseminate" is to once again bring Him down to the human level, instead of reaching higher(toward Him) for our reasoning's.

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If insemination [sperm] was the source Mary would not have been a virgin after Jesus' birth, nor would she have been a virgin if Joseph was Jesus' biological father. Mary was a virgin before Jesus' birth and she still was one after His birth; therefore a virgin gave birth to God's Son. Jesus was formed in Mary?s womb by the power of the Holy Spirit to create; do the miraculous, just as the first Adam?s body was created/formed from the dust of the earth. and just as you and I were "formed" in our mother's womb.  We were "formed" by our Heavenly Father.  Our biological fathers had smiles on their faces, but had nothing to do in the formation of us.  The same for our biological mothers (except she does have to nurture us for those 9 months.) 
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If God inseminated Mary Jesus would be a demigod, since insemination was not what God did, Jesus is not only the Son of God He is also God in flesh [Immanuel/ God with us].And here is the GOOD News Sam...we are also.  We have that little spark of God in us.  We are born with it. Jesus received His DNA strand from Mary for His physical body and His ?nature? from God, God being His Father; Jesus was born with a righteous natureamen, and us too sam, not a sinful nature because God is His Father not Joseph and not some soldier who raped her [an accusation Yechiel posted]. The Greek word the KJV translated as ?holy thing? (Luke 1:35) also carries the definition ?saint;? for us to be called a saint we must be born-again, the New Birth is when we receive God?s righteous nature in our soul/spirit; it was this "new" birth that Jesus taught..i say "when we acknowledge" God's righteous nature within our soul/spirit therefore for Jesus to be called a saint at His physical birth He would have to have had God?s righteous nature in His soul/spirit, which He did.which we do too...sam..it just takes us longer to acknowledge this fact If Jesus? father was Joseph He would not have had God?s righteous nature in His soul/spirit He would have had a sinful nature like we were physically born with.In my opinion...lol...sam, you & many others have this backwards. we are born with God's nature and we grow away from acknowledging that truth, and some of us re-think and recognize who we truly are.  some never do.
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Joseph? genealogy was written in Matthew?s Gospel to showthis is an excellent example of a story being created to fit the narrative of our philosophy that we are trying to explain..."to show..."   nothing wrong with that way of telling each other what we have discovered...in fact it is an excellent way to teach a concept...especially to people who have yet to learn to understand abstract ideas the Jew?s 
 Sin is disobeying what the Holy Spirit tells us to do;and it is a "sin" for any one of us to "correct" or "badger" or "warn" or "proclain" that when others do not think the way we say they are supposed to think, that they are wrong.  They are listening to their own still small voice that echos inside themselves.  The voice of God.  We are not all the same, in our desires and abilities.  Explanations that work for some will not work for others.  The best we can say is:  "This is what I know to be true for me..." just as Adam sinned when he disobeyed God.

But what creates the Light originally? What starts this whole generative procession culminating in Adam walking the Earth bearing the Grail? Undifferentiated, undivided, inexhaustible, unfathomable Love from Above. Adam is the key to unlocking the secret of this light harmonic. 

 "All the mathematical evidence so far indicates that the maximum number of individual elements to be found in the universe will be 144." Each element can have, theoretically, 6 isotopes, making 864 possible combinations.

samuside wrote, AC and Njoy… I have posted information about the virgin birth within the past year showing that  both of you have not understood the virgin birth correctly.




Samuside, just because you are of the Assembly of God faith and you speak in a unknown tongue,..  (Tongues  NO ONE can understand,  Tongues NO ONE can interpret, even God Himself can't understand) does not mean you are the ONLY one who has spiritual understanding of the virgin birth. We who are of God born again in and through Jesus Christ who have been "filled" with the Holy Spirit without speaking in your Assembly of God faith so- called tongues WE also understand the virgin birth spiritually and correctly.


 Re-Read  Anon statement again,.... there is nothing Anon has not understood about the virgin birth correctly. Anon was stating that, Jesus was formed in Mary’s womb by the power of the Holy Spirit The Bible teaches plainly that Jesus was conceived in the womb of a virgin Jewish mother by the Holy Ghost.

Anon posted, It is now definitely known a proven fact that the blood which flows in an unborn babies arteries and veins is not derived from the mother.

Anon stated, All the blood which is in a (human) child is produced within the child itself as a result of the introduction of the male sperm. The mother contributes no blood at all.

Anon posted, In Jesus case, Jesus (God in the flesh) was formed in Mary’s womb by the power of the Holy Spirit,  Mary the mother of Jesus contributes no blood at all. The blood which was in  Jesus was derived from God within Jesus itself as a result of God placing Jesus in Marys womb by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Therefore, it is you who have not understood correctly what Anon posted about the virgin birth.