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Yechiel I don't always see I to I with Anonymous Comment but in this case I do. Remember however there is a distinct difference in the way we think about this. To us it is not idiolatry when you believe in one God. That God’s earthly name being Jesus Christ ! Now you have to ask yourself, Can God do as He pleases ? You treat God as if he is some kind of physical being. We treat God as a spiritual being with no physical aspects. To me, you limit the extent of God's power. I believe Anonymous does the same thing, limits the power of Christ. I do not. If God is all encompassing, omnipotent and eternal can one come to the realization that maybe part of him came to explain himself ? I am not attacking the Jewish faith mind you, I am asking a honest question. One to be thought about and some kind of mutual understanding reached. Idiolatry ? I guess first of all you would have to answer what a singular God is. Single in Physical being ? single in spiritual being ? What limits do we put in the power God. When Moses said who shall I say sent me, God said, tell them that I AM sent you. I say, that is a God of fact. No questions asked and what I send with you will be my power to expose to all that I am fact and that I Am with you.

I don’t believe it is Idolatry to believe in a singular God, no more that I think it is Idiolatry to believe Christ is a part of the spiritual peasants of God in the flesh.

I don’t think you are out to make me your enemy and I sure am not out to make you mine.

I believe we have to get past the old stereotypes that have caused death and destruction for there own selfish motives. That goes for Jew’s as well as Gentiles ! First cause, what is the oneness of God ? Second cause, what is God’s objective for all of mankind ? Third cause, what is mankind’s responsibility to each other even when we don’t agree ?

I would like to stay on First cause !

When writing about the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ or Jesus of Nazareth is proper. When writing and referencing to Jesus Christ then Jesus the Christ is proper. Reason being is that it is Jesus the Anointed One and also Jesus the Messiah not Jesus Anointed or Jesus Messiah. When written as Jesus the Christ it is associating His proper name Jesus with His Divinity, the Anointed One or Messiah. This is nothing new and has been accepted as proper, although not widely known to all studying scripture.

Dear Mike;

G-d shall do as He pleases. He shall not contradict Himself.

Why what is not Kosher for us before Jesus, is not osher for us after Jesus

Shalom;

Yechiel

Yechiel   Don't you mean what was Kosher before the Messiah was was Kosher after the Messiah except for the name of God on earth ?  

Dear Mike;

I know what I posted, and I mean it; human sacrifice, idolatry, failed prophecy and messianaship, redundant ideas like December 25th, three wise men, 12 dispels, angry king killing the young (The Herod of Gospels died in 4 BCE, by the way)crucified, raised from the dead, raise to heaven and more.

Christianity is a johnny come lately, and you want us to abandon G-d!?

Mike, it is in back and white for anyone to read, and you can even google it. Of course, it feels better to stick to the old ideas, as which are the basis of Christianity, today.

These are facts. Nothing mean by me, as all religions are cool, but I sty with what HaShem wants us to do, as bet as I can.

All you have to worry about are the 7 Laws of Noah. Read Matthew Ch.19:16-19. Luke 18:18 amd you have what Jesus thought and said about himself, and the code you need.

Shalom;

Yechiel

PS;

After you read those verses, let me know whatyou think then of what I post.

Jews believe that, for all time, they will remain God’s chosen people according to the covenant with Abraham. In particular, they look forward to the reign of the Messiah on earth, during which time Jews will always have a favored status over non-Jews. Non-Jews may receive some benefits of the Messiah’s kingdom, but never as fully as Jews do. Jews must always receive dominant blessings.

Non-Jews can receive eternal reward after the Messianic age, if they meet certain conditions; but Jews are born to receive that destiny. Jews reject any doctrine which gives Gentiles equal standing with Jews in the Messianic kingdom or which affirms Jews and Gentiles will receive their eternal rewards on the basis of the same conditions.


Genesis 26:4 - God made great promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (12:3; 22:18; 28:14). He said their descendants would become a great nation and receive the land of Canaan, and also that through their descendants all nations would be blessed.

This is fulfilled in Jesus who came as the Messiah and offered forgiveness to all people of all nations (Gal. 3:8,16; Acts 3:25f). Note that this blessing was to come through Abraham's descendants, but it was to come to people of all nations.

This was the last of the three promises to Abraham. When it was fulfilled at Jesus' death, there was no longer any reason for Israel to have any special status in God's plan. All promises to national Israel have been fulfilled.

Matthew 28:19f; Mark 16:15f - Salvation is now available to all people from all nations in the whole world on the basis of the same conditions. He who believes in Jesus Christ will be saved.


Every Jew stands condemned by the very law to which he claims allegiance. It condemns his sins but offers no permanent forgiveness. Jews no longer attempt to attain even the temporary forgiveness the law offered, and they reject the sacrifice of the Messiah. Hence, Jews are condemned by their own law to be sinners with no means of forgiveness!
Conclusion


The differences Christians have with Jews today are the same differences we have always had. Therefore, we must offer Jews the same evidence we have always offered them. Only by accepting the gospel can they receive the real blessings their law offers.



Romans 2:28-29, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

Followers of Christ ARE Jews! Followers of Christ have not REPLACED Israel…the followers of Christ ARE Israel. Spiritual Israel.

What were your redundant ideas like every December 31st for 4 years? It is in back and white for anyone to read, and you can even google it.

. Why did the Jews deny Christ?


Answer — Because He would not subscribe to the tenet that their little Midianite tribal deity, Yahvah, could possibly be the Great Creator of the Universe and the author of all living things, or that such a Great Creator had a Chosen People, or that the Hebrew religion as the Sanhedrin propounded it, was a true religion, or that the Jews as such were due to inherit the earth and rulership over all its institutions. No man who thus struck at the roots of Judaism, could possibly be their long looked-for Messiah. Furthermore, Christ was the outstanding "Jew-Baiter" of His day. He called the scribes and Pharisees hypocrites and whited sepulchers, and indicted the Sanhedrin to the teeth of its big shots as being "of the Synagogue of Satan." In other words, by not being willing to "play the Jew game" to other nations and races, Christ was identified as an "enemy" of the Jews; and the Jews know of but one way in which to treat their enemies: Kill them!

Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

Please understand something based on the facts; it is not belief, it is the facts. G-d said it, I read it, I accept and believe what He told us.

The TRUE Reason WHY the Jews Rejected Christ

 

                Why didn't the Jews understand the prophecies of Christ's first coming? Why weren't they ready to receive the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost? The answer will surprise you!

EVER since the time of Adam man has rebelled against the government of God. As the Supreme Ruler of the universe, God has DECREED that 6000 years be allotted to man to decide for himself whether he will voluntarily submit to the Government of God and keep holy the TIME He made holy.

Man universally has rejected God's rule, His authority, His holy days. But God has not been idle in human affairs.

 

What God Has Been Doing

What GOD is doing these 6000 years very few recognize.

Now is not the time God is trying to save the world. He is rather calling out of the world a select few whom He chooses. To us He reveals Himself, His Will and His Purpose. But we must VOLUNTARILY choose to obey Him -- and to keep holy the days He set apart.


The TRUE Reason WHY the Jews Rejected Christ
http://home.sprynet.com/~pabco/jewsrej.htm

Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

Please understand something based on the facts; it is not belief, it is the facts. G-d said it

The Jews rejected Jesus because He failed, in their eyes, to do what they expected their Messiah to do—destroy evil and all their enemies and establish an eternal kingdom with Israel as the preeminent nation in the world. The prophecies in Isaiah and Psalm 22 describe a suffering Messiah who would be persecuted and killed, but the Jews chose to focus instead on those prophecies that discuss His glorious victories, not His crucifixion.

The commentaries in the Talmud, written before the onset of Christianity, clearly discuss the Messianic prophecies of Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 and puzzle over how these would be fulfilled with the glorious setting up of the kingdom of the Messiah. After the church used these prophecies to prove the claims of Christ, the Jews took the position that the prophecies did not refer to the Messiah, but to Israel or some other person.

The Jews believed that the Messiah, the prophet which Moses spoke about, would come and deliver them from Roman bondage and set up a kingdom where they would be the rulers. Two of the disciples, James and John, even asked to sit at Jesus' right and left in His kingdom when He came into His glory. The people of Jerusalem also thought He would deliver them. They shouted praises to God for the mighty works they had seen Jesus do, and called out "Hosanna, save us" when He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey ( The Jews believed that the Messiah, the prophet which Moses spoke about, would come and deliver them from Roman bondage and set up a kingdom where they would be the rulers. Two of the disciples, James and John, even asked to sit at Jesus' right and left in His kingdom when He came into His glory. The people of Jerusalem also thought He would deliver them. They shouted praises to God for the mighty works they had seen Jesus do, and called out "Hosanna, save us" when He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey (Matthew 21:9). They treated Him like a conquering king. Then when He allowed Himself to be arrested, tried and crucified on a cursed cross, the people stopped believing that He was the promised prophet. They rejected their Messiah (Matthew 27:22).

Note that Paul tells the church that the spiritual blindness of Israel is a "mystery" that had not previously been revealed (Romans chapters 9-11). For thousands of years, Israel had been the one nation that looked to God while the Gentile nations generally rejected the light and chose to live in spiritual darkness. Israel and her inspired prophets revealed monotheism—one God who was personally interested in mankind's destiny of heaven or hell, the path to salvation, the written Word with the Ten Commandments. Yet Israel rejected her prophesied Messiah, and the promises of the kingdom of heaven were postponed. A veil of spiritual blindness fell upon the eyes of the Jews who previously were the most spiritually discerning people. As Paul explained, this hardening on the part of Israel led to the blessing of the Gentiles who would believe in Jesus and accept Him as Lord and Savior.

Two thousand years after He came to the nation of Israel as their Messiah, Christ is still (for the most part) rejected by the Jews. Many Jews today (some say at least half of all living Jews) identify themselves as Jewish but prefer to remain “secular.” They identify with no particular Jewish movement and have no understanding or affiliation with any Jewish biblical roots. The concept of Messiah as expressed in the Hebrew Scriptures or Judaism’s “13 Principles of Faith” is foreign to most Jews today.

But one concept is generally held as universal: Jews must have nothing to do with Jesus! Most Jews today perceive the last 2,000 years of historical Jewish persecution to be at the hands of so-called “Christians.” From the Crusades, to the Inquisition, to the pogroms in Europe, to Hitler’s Holocaust—Jews ultimately believe that they are being held responsible for the death of Jesus Christ and are being persecuted for that reason. They, therefore, reject Him today.

The good news is that many Jews are turning to Christ today. The God of Israel has always been faithful to keep a “remnant” of believing Jews to Himself. In the United States alone, some estimates say that there are over 100,000 Jewish believers in Jesus, and the numbers are growing all the time.