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Which religion should I convert to?

Njoy exodus 4:22 When God told Moses Israel was his first born. Israel was God's first born nation of people that he chose to lead the way for the rest of the world to follow. They followed the one singular, "I Am". The Jewish people still believe that today. My problem with them, ( the Jewish faith) is that, just as David who was young and not the oldest son, he was to be King under the dismay of many. As far as my recollection, God never said Jesus was his first born son, He just said Jesus is my son. I think this is where AC try’s to make the point that Jesus was the second son that God had directly created since Adam. Both having  different objectives and or motives. Adam was created by the love of God, Jesus was created for the conformation of God and the objective of/in our lives. God, did not tell us how to live, He showed us.   Just like David, Jesus was rejected by many. And the story continues.

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jameslee102447 Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Very nice post MikeC.  A lot of people over look that the first born son of God was, I don't know.  Even Adam is refered to as the son of God, and there are many sons of God, as Jesus is refered to as the Son of God. I can only think that the Son of God always was althought in Spirit as the Father.  Tough subject.

 
MikeC

jameslee   I don't think you are that  far off.   Jesus warns us about the importance of the spirit.   

Jesus even acknowledge the spirit is above himself. I am sure that was in reference to the man of Jesus, (His own physical nature as known or perceived by mankind) not the spirit of God as I understand Him to be.

    

 
jameslee102447 Thinks this answer is Helpful:

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Jesus did acknowledge that the Son is never greater then the Father, and that the Father is greater then He. And He also said that He is in the Father and that the Father in Him doeth the works. This to me is saying that He did not just have Faith IN our Father but also the Faith OF our Father as the Word of God. And also this is something we need to have within ourselves. This is something we all need to contemplate and cultivate within ourselves.


Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 
MikeC

The physical vs. or is in unity with the spiritual. The power that Christ was given was in relation to the power that the spirit was willing to give to a human. This is complicated. God in my mind new in advance what he was going to do as a human. He limited himself for our benefit. God had an objective and it was not to be as a king or to lord over us. That to me would take away all prospects for free will. The body of Christ was only limited because Christ himself limited himself before he was introduce to human kind. God/Christ/Spirit had a game plan, Christ was part of that plan and Christ new the purpose and the consequences of that plan. Christ/God stuck by the plan for our sake. The relationship between God, Spirit and Christ are one. The course of action by God, Spirit and Christ are one. How each is interlaced to each other is still a mystery. All I will say is they are all of one thought.

 
Physicalist

The Bible did bring the world some deterrence and morality but it also encouraged all kinds of killings, Inquisition, support for slavery, anti-evolution, anti-Copernicus and anti-Galileo resistance and intolerance. Generally, the Bible has been the tool for creating the Koran and its suicide bombers and hate for Israel and non-Islamic people. 

 
MikeC

I wonder what the world would have been like without the bible  ?

 
jameslee102447 Thinks this answer is Helpful:

I must say that God does not give power He is the Power, as Jesus said, the Father that dwelleth in me doeth the works. It is by Faith that the Activating Force of God brings about that which is in Gods Word. It is not power that was given to a human but the access of the One Power by a human by Faith. Jesus new this and lived by the Faith OF God and in His Word that the Activating Force of God would accomplish that which He set forth, this is how he could heal the sick and raise the dead. One objective was the sacrifice of the Lamb of God for the wages of Sin, and all that Jesus did was for the Glory of God. I also believe that Jesus is the main ingredient in setting up the Kingdom of God. Jesus is the King of Kings and His subjects are the Children of God, and this does not take away from are free will but redefines it, for in the Kingdom of God we will still have free will or the freedom to choose but it will be one in alignment with the things of God, in other words Gods will and our will, will be the same. This is being accomplished even now by the renewing of our minds. It is also my understanding that they are interlaced by being the three functionalities of the Creative Principle, also known as the Trinity.

 
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Which bible Mike?

 
n

Jameslee, is it true that Jesus never mentioned the Trinity or Original Sin?

 
MikeC

Njoy Not specifically but he does bring up God the Father and the Holy Spirit. The rest is obvious.

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