Discuss MikeC's answer to: Best Religion

Dear Mike:

I had to jump on this one; Mary might have been a descendant of David!?! Depending on how you interpret Luke, but this does not make it legal. The descendantcy has to be from the father, to make it legal. At least this is what G-d wants, as He told us through out the Tanach.

What Gentiles may have a problem with is accepting something which contradict what you want to believe. But, Torah, and Judaism, as a whole, is based on the Jack Webb theorem; "Just the facts".

Think, Mike, how many ways can you have running around before the people loose the ability to understand what is valid? One say Mama shall do, another says Papa shall do; then you have wars and civic violence, who's your Mama, who's our Papa?

So each society has its way to determine how to govern a child's inheritance.

In Judaism, Mama determines tribe/Nation; Papa determines family inheritance. So if your mother was Jewish, you are, if your father was a Cohen, you are.

So as only one parent can be determined for Jesus, his mother, and she was Jewish, so was Jesus.

That's all!

Shalom;

Yechiel

PS;

Mike, there are several fine Jewish sites where you can go to find out about Jewish practice, then and now. So I would recommend looking there for knowledge, first, then if you still feel you have a  comment, fine.

Your above question only brought out another factor in how we determine whither this, or that should be accepted.

Dear MikeC;

G-d's genetic instructions!!!!

Holy Cow, mon, what are you smoking.

At least for a Jew, or any Gentile who honestly read the Tanach, there cannot be any "G-d's Genetic " anything. He said so, and you, if you think about it, know this. So stop playing games with G-d and His word.

You are not an AC, so why go that route? 

For all posters, Google is none denominational. And gives all sides that can be given. It would help yu to know, then do.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Jesus the man, known as the Son of man because of flesh and blood, had DNA, genetic instructions for the body. Jesus the Christ was the Word of God, the Spirit of God, having been created by the activating force of God, the Holy Ghost.  Remember that Jesus, You and Me do not formulate a body with a Spirit but formulate a Spirit with a body.

Dear Yechiel, I don’t smoke !   I knew you would have a problem with this. First of all you are making a presumption based on tradition. You are right all the way up to the father of Mary. She was in the blood line of David all the way up to the point of marriage. Jesus was conceived before marriage. Think on that. If, and I say if, Mary was never married, would she have been recognized as being in the line of David ? Because of her gender after birth,  does she not have a blood line or does that just come about after she gets married ?  Are you trying to tell me that a woman does not have a blood line at birth ?   I think you know the answer to that.

God created the first Adam from His own image and likeness without even the slightest imperfection or spot. His flesh was sinless. God saw all the creatures and said, “It is very good” (Gen 1:30). Ellen G. White stated, “As man came forth from the hand of His Creator, he was of lofty stature and perfect symmetry. His countenance bore the ruddy tint of health and glowed with the light of life and joy.Paul said that Christ was the last Adam, whatever state the first Adam lost, the last Adam must restore. Thus, it seems ironic that Christ had to come in the likeness of a human being outwardly but not of the same substance inwardly, i.e., not in sinful flesh with the propensity to sin. Due to His perfection throughout his incarnation, Christ retained an unbroken relationship with God through the in dealing Holy Spirit. He remained sinless physically and spiritually throughout His life. Thus, He is the only one who can be “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). That is the meaning when Paul said, “God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh” (Rom 8:3,). Even if He lived a sinless life in the sinful flesh or body, He would not be fit to offer His sinful body as a “lamb without blemish [His character]” and “without spot [His body]” (1 Pet 1:19).

In Romans 5:12-21, Paul compared and contrasted the two Adams, the first versus the last Adam (Christ). The analogy between Adam and Christ here is clear. In order to save the first Adam, the last Adam must be equal in nature and character such as that before the fall. Then and only then may Christ restore what the first Adam had lost. Paul pointed out that as by the offence of one man Adam, judgment came upon all men, who are in his body, to condemnation; so by one man Christ salvation came to the whole world.

The Bible sees human beings as a whole. Therefore, since Adam has fallen, his sinless flesh (body or nature) became sinful flesh. From being a righteous man with light and glory, the first Adam became a sinner with sinful body and character after fall; his nature was degraded and defiled by sin, and he was filled with sorrow and suffering throughout his life. Also, his descendants who are in him are all condemned and born sinners. It is necessary that even prior to the very first act or thought of sin that fallen beings need a Savior. Christ claimed that He came to give His life as a ransom for every human being (Matt 20:28), for all humans have already been condemned in Adam and all the creatures of the world were cursed because of his sin (John 3:18; Rom 5:12; 3:24; Gen 3:17).

Benjamin Rand said, “If Jesus came with a sinful nature but resisted, then perhaps someone will do the same, and that person would not need Jesus to save him.”53 If he was crucified on the cross, he may possibly become a Savior! If that was indeed true, the million aborted infants yearly in United States will be counted to be sinless ones and have more blessings to heaven; the doctors who did the action will be rewarded in heaven; a baby’s sacrifice for atonement will be acceptable to God! No, absolutely not! Take for example the 144,000 who are in sinful flesh but living in sinless life; the Bible describes them, saying, “In their mouth was found no guile, for they are blameless before the throne of God” (Rev 14:5). Could one of them be a Savior as a sin offering for atonement of the world? If Christ comes in “sinful flesh,” then He is a “sinful man,” can we accept a “sinful man” as our Savior? No, God forbid! It is true that if Christ is a “sinful man” He needs a Savior to save Him from sin. Roy Adam said, “If He were altogether like us—100 percent—if He had shared in exactly the same way the inheritance of sin and guilt we all received from Adam, then He would have been crippled as a Saviour.”54 Therefore, to say that Christ possessed a sinful human DNA nature just as we do is total contradictory to the biblical doctrine.

Dear MikeC;

You get "Tradition" mixed up with the Word of G-d. I use His Word for what I relate. So it is as He says, not what some human made up. For me, this is one of the main difference between Tanach, usually, and the other religious writings.

Brainstorm; You are not ware of what the phrase; "Image of G-d". means? It is His Spiritual image, as He has no Physical form at all, according to Him.

Also, my friends; as for the phrase "The Torah Nailed to the Cross"!? Your co-religious, as they would have you believe, have nailed the Torah to the Cross several times. Each butchery of His people is a time His Torah was nailed to your cross, as so many of His people were slaughter for your faiths purpose.

According to His word, man is not born in Sin, but by our choices, sin. Why he has repentance. And yes, you have it as well, and yes, it works.

So read the whole Bible through and know what you are talking about. Also, do yourself a favor; stop twisting our words around. that would be more respectful, don't you think?

Now, is that a little clearer?

GBY

Shalom;

Yechiel

Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

So read the whole Bible through and know what you are talking about.

Now, is that a little clearer?

GBY

Shalom;

Yechiel

Open the Bible and read Titus 1:13-14 which says, "This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth."

Revelation 2:9 quotes our Lord Jesus Christ as saying, "I know that works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Now, is that a little clearer?

Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

So read the whole Bible through and know what you are talking about.

 
Now, is that a little clearer?

GBY

Shalom;

Yechiel

So read the whole bible. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 also say that the jews killed Jesus Christ when it says, in part, "the JEWS WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us, and they please not God, and are contrary to all men."

St. John 5:15-18 says, "The man departed, and told the jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole. And therefore did the jews persecute Jesus, and sougth to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

During his entire visitation on this earth, the Lord Jesus Christ was the object of a jewish conspiracy to murder Him and they finally succeeded, but He was victorious because he arose from the grave and ascended into Heaven.

Now, is that a little clearer?

Jews bash Christians continually in many ways,However, whenever a Christian, or anyone else, tells the truth about Jews or Judaism, there is always the “howl” of anti-semitism.  Jews admit that they smear those who tell the truth about the Jews by calling them anti-semites.

Also, do yourself a favor; stop twisting our words around. that would be more respectful, don't you think?

Now, is that a little clearer?

Dear Brainstorm;

Politics!

Shalom;

Yechiel