Discuss MikeC's answer to: Best Religion

Attn: MikeC

There are no implications on my part to separate Jesus from God but rather combing Him as One, something that is very misunderstood. I am saying that God is Spirit rather in Jesus, in you, in me, in the church, in the heavens, or in the Oceans. Is he not in all places at all times? God is Spirit; the bible tells us this throughout. The indwelling of the Spirit of God or all the Attributes of God are fully within the mind of Jesus the man, the Son of God. Let me say again, the Spirit of God was in Jesus the man, the Son of God, not in Jesus the Christ, Jesus the Christ is the manifestation of God in the flesh AND the indwelling of God. Jesus the son is the manifestation of God in the flesh and we do not worship flesh and blood, we worship the full package, Jesus the Christ. In this way we are worshiping the Son of God, Jesus AND the Spirit of God. As Jesus said in John 14:28

“Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I”

Let me bring to your attention the words “Father is greater than I” therefore worshiping Jesus the Christ is worshiping nothing less then the Son of God AND the Spirit of God.

The Spirit of God is in all things, yet we do not worship all things, we do not worship the heavens but worship God in Heaven, the most high, we do not worship earthly idols rather heavenly bodies, objects or flesh and blood. We worship God in spirit for God is Spirit. As Christians we are to worship Jesus the Christ, for no man can say that Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost.

As for what you said about DNA, there is no argument, for it was flesh and blood that was sacrificed, and this implies a body, of which we do not worship. Are we bodies with spirits or spirits with bodies, are we to remember the body or the spirit, are we to worship the body or Jesus the Christ?

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

And that means, one must believe in Jesus Christ and accept Jesus Christ as his Lord God and savior. You sir, do not believe Jesus Christ is God,  you sir, have never accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord God and savior.

You sir, believe Jesus was just a man, and  later in his life "The Christ" descended upon the man Jesus and the man Jesus became "The Christ". which is a lie.

Jesus Christ was born from God, Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, fully God and fully man, Jesus Christ GOD. First name "Jesus" Last name "Christ" Jesus Christ, God the savior!!!.  NOT Jesus a man, and later in his life he became "The Christ"

Jameslee     Unlike the rest of humanity the conceived embryo of God was placed in Mary by God. This is a point we all cannot forget. I do not believe Jesus was born by the embryo of Mary and the sperm of Joseph. Mary was with child before contact with Joseph. That is in the Bible as well. The reasons behind this intervention by God has to be taken into consideration. Mankind has a minimum knowledge of the true essence of God. I believe that when Jesus spoke of the Father, he was speaking to the bigger self. To me, Jesus used the term father as a term that we could understand, that we could relate to. The Alpha and the Omega and what in means is to much for anyone of us to fathom. Jesus is a part of the one entity of God, therefore there was a larger part, hence the term Father. I do agree that God dwells in all of us but in a much different role. We are the recipients of the love of God. Jesus is the love of God made flesh.    GBY  MikeC

Attn: MikeC

There is no intervention by God, the Virgin Birth was preordained from the beginning, as Jesus was. We know that Jesus was Born through and of God and the Virgin Mary alone. As we also know its complicated. Ecclesiastes 11: “As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.”

I also believe that Jesus was speaking to God the Father, just as you as a Christian speaks to God through Jesus the Christ. We all have that internal conversation either with Spirit or with ego. 1 Timothy 2: 5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

But let us strive not to be double minded but become as Jesus Christ, that is single minded. James 4:8 “Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.”

Jameslee  You said, " there is no intervention by God. I respectfully disagree. Any time a power or a force that is stronger and more powerful comes into play, creates an action or a reaction, there is intervention. Jesus used his power mildly out of love in the calming of the seas, the raising of Lazars etc. and even the bringing up of himself. Jesus used a mild form of intervention to reach multitudes of people. You are right, Jesus was preordained from the beginning.  

The three quotes you used where very good by the way.  

Attn: MikeC

I said there is no intervention by God because God is Omniscience. That which one calls intervention is really caused by and effect that was cause by man, and it would be man that would take action that would affect another’s affairs, not God. God does not act and react to different situations happening in the world or in our personal lives. God is the Power that is always in play, He is the only Power and has created a perfect system that corrects its self. All wrong action will be corrected within time. God is the Supernatural Author and Governor of the Universe.

In this case the prophets in the bible foretold of the Virgin Birth of Jesus. God has no need to influence events, He is Omniscience. Also because the system that He created corrects its self by way of Cause and Effect. A system of perfection.

Would also like to add that all the Jesus did was for the Glory of God.               

God's Intervention

Exodus 2:23-25

A cursory reading of these verses might give a person the impression that God was just sitting on His throne, twiddling His fingers, and waiting for Israel to do something. But God had already begun to act. He had ensured that Moses would live through the slaughter of the Israelite children. He had directed the little ark into the hands of the Pharaoh's daughter. He had ensured that Moses would receive the benefit of a tremendous education, the best kind of secular education that one could receive at that time. He had put thoughts in Moses' mind that he could be Israel's deliverer. He had spared Moses' life when the Pharaoh tried to take it. He had prompted Moses to flee the land and led him into the wilderness to the family of Jethro. He had given Moses the time and the opportunity to continue his preparation for leading His people out of Egypt.

Who initiated all this? Certainly not the children of Israel! God did! We find all the way back in the book of Genesis that God had already prophesied that in about 400 years, he would move to bring the children of Abraham out of a captivity, which He also arranged.

Could God - who does not change, who sets patterns in His Word so that we will understand - ensure, long before we were born, that there would be a church for His people at the end time and that someone would be prepared by Him to get the doctrines they would need to understand at the end time? We know very well He could - and did.

How did Israel get out of Egypt? Not through any rebellion, revolution, intelligence, or negotiations on their part. They got out because God wanted them out. It was part of His purpose.

jameslee102447

Attn: MikeC

Let me say again, the Spirit of God was in Jesus the man, the Son of God, not in Jesus the Christ.

It is no accident that those who reject the divinity of Christ also pervert the doctrine of salvation. Salvation, for those who deny Christ’s Godhood, is either a mystical, metaphysical experience or something earned through good works. Why do the cults pervert the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ? Because only a divine Christ can truly save His people. Only a divine-human Messiah could render a sacrifice of infinite value, a sacrifice capable of ransoming millions and millions of God’s elect. Also, only the divine-human Messiah has the ability to be a faithful high priest. A finite high priest could not make intercession in God’s heavenly sanctuary for the many millions of Christians who sin and confess their sins daily. Only Jesus Christ who is truly God can hear all our prayers. Only the divine Christ knows all our sins and infirmities, because He is God and knows everything. Jesus Christ who is fully God and fully man is the perfect Mediator between God and man. “For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God...being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.... But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them” (Heb. 7:l-3, 24-25).


The fact that Jesus Christ is God, the second Person of the Holy Trinity, is not just an academic or theological issue. Jesus Christ, being the divine Creator, demands our utmost allegiance, obedience, service and worship. The divinity of Christ is a life and death—a heaven or hell—issue. A merely human or first-created being cannot save multitudes of sinners. A merely human or first-created being does not have the authority to judge the human race. A finite being should never receive worship, honor and glory. To reject the divinity of Jesus Christ is to reject the clear teaching of Scripture. To reject the divinity of Jesus Christ is to reject the God who exists. If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is God, then you are lost and will be cast into hell. Being a member of a heretical cult is no different in God’s eyes than being a homosexual, murderer or adulterer. God demands that you repent, not just of your sinful behavior but also of your sinful beliefs, thoughts and associations. Set aside your false beliefs and put your trust in the divine Son of God, Jesus Christ.

jameslee102447

Attn: MikeC

Let me say again, the Spirit of God was in Jesus the man, the Son of God, not in Jesus the Christ.

 

 

 

Jesus Christ is God the spirit of God manifested in the flesh"

 

In the New Testament, the apostles present Jesus as God "manifested in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16). The apostle John, in the opening verses of his gospel, expresses this teaching:


John 1:1-3,14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."


Jesus, in His prayer recorded in John 17, confirms that He was with the Father in the beginning:


John 17:5: "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."


Jesus, as the Word of God, who was God, was the spokesman at whose command all came into existence; for each creative act recorded in Genesis, chapter 1, begins with the words: "Then God said".


Jesus, the One through whom all things were made, became flesh. He came to earth in human form:


Phil 2:5-11: "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."


Jesus came to earth as a man, and he suffered and died for the sins of the human race. Because of this great sacrifice, God has highly exalted Him. It is in the name of Jesus -- that name by which He was known when He was in human form -- that every knee will bow and every tongue confess to salvation. This salvation in the name of Jesus was foretold by the prophet Isaiah:


Isa. 45:22-23: "Look to Me, and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath."


We learn, then, from the scriptures, the great significance of the incarnation. Jesus was God "manifested in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16). And the significance of Jesus as God manifested in the flesh is expressed in several other scriptures:


1. God sent His Son, in the likeness of sinful flesh, to keep the law on our behalf. Jesus condemned sin "in the flesh"; that is, he lived a perfect life in our stead:


Rom. 8:3-4: "For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."


2. The saints (both Jew and Gentile) are made one by the sacrifice of Christ "in the flesh":

Eph. 2:14-15: "For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of division between us, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace."


3. All will be reconciled to God through the sacrifice of Christ "in the body of His flesh":


Col. 1:19-22: "For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and irreproachable in His sight."


4. The saints draw near to God -- they pass through the veil -- by a new and living way; that is, through Christ's sacrifice in the flesh:


Heb. 10:19-22: "Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith" ...


5. Christ suffered once for sins by "being put to death in the flesh":


1 Pet. 3:18: "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit."


We see, then, the importance of the sacrifice of Christ "in the flesh". And we can well appreciate that it is in the name of JESUS -- that name by which he was known when he lived on the earth so many years ago -- that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father

jameslee102447

Attn: MikeC

Let me say again, the Spirit of God was in Jesus the man, the Son of God, not in Jesus the Christ.

The reason that many cults fatally err regarding the divinity of Jesus Christ is because they place sinful, finite human reason above the clear teaching of the Word of God. The Bible consistently sets forth the doctrine of the trinity from Genesis to Revelation. As revelation progresses, the doctrine of the trinity becomes clearer and clearer, until only those who are spiritually blind could deny it.

If you do deny the trinity, the Bible becomes an incomprehensible jumble of contradictions. True Christians from the days of the Apostles to the present have believed that there is one God existing in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. There are not three Gods but only one God. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not one-third God each, or parts of God, but are all fully God of one indivisible essence, power and eternity. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not three manifestations of one God.

Each is completely equal, possessing the full divine nature. When the Bible teaches that God is three Persons, it does not mean that there are three individuals “but only personal self-distinctions with the Divine essence, which is not only generically, but also numerically one.”  So when cults say that Jesus was just a man or the first created being, they woefully err. They place their misconceptions of what God must be like above what the Bible clearly teaches. The doctrine of the trinity is hard to comprehend yet it is clearly taught in the Bible and therefore must be believed.

When you believe in the triune God of Scripture, all the passages which clearly teach that Christ is God do not have to be mistranslated, twisted and explained away, as the cults do. The Bible says that Christ always existed and that He created the universe. Yet the Bible also teaches that Christ is God’s only begotten Son. Is there a conflict here? Certainly not! For the Bible teaches that Christ’s unique personal self-distinction is His eternal generation from God the Father