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Which religion should I convert to?

The hardest thing for many Christians when reading the word of God is, who’s talking ? I am not talking about the apostles or the prophets.

Nothing is as it seem's.
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MikeC

Where is this line written ?   "I am not a man, that I lie."

 
Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear MikeC;

Here are a few examples. Hope this helps.

>>> http://bible.cc/numbers/23-19.htm<<<

In the right margin, there are a few more examples. He does not send out His word, that it should return to Him empty, is one other found there.

Shalom;

Yechiel

 
MikeC

Yechiel   Thank you for the information.  All I will say to this, is that in my Bible 23:19 "God is not man that he should speak falsely, not human, that he should change his mind.  

Come here nor there,  this was written before the Messiah.   

 
Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

You proved a point, again! Version of versions, all are versions!

Have fun.

Shalom;

Yechiel

 
MikeC

 

Yechiel Love Ya ! I can only tell you is my version. Yechiel, I just had one of those wayward thoughts, you know, the kind that just pop up at you once in a while. I was wondering, what exactly do you feel the Messiah is suppose to be ? I don’t, want to hear about all th decedent stuff, or what line in the family, or any of that. All I would like to know from you, is in what relationship to God is the Messiah suppose to come ? I would like to know, who do you perceive the Messiah to be ? What is the perception that you have in the coming Messiah ? How do you view him and how is he in relation to G_d in your mind ? I am only asking because I really don’t know how the Jew’s perceive the future Messiah. Is he like a prophet with power ? Just an other human being like Moses ? How do you perceive this Messiah that is to come ? How do you feel the Messiah and his relationship with G_d will be ? Just curios ?

 
Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

One of our ideas is from what Moses said; "A prophet greater than Moses shall come."

All peoples want relief from trouble. On the Spiritual level, we developed a super prophet concept.

For the Jew, one way we know if the one being addressed as the Moshiac is that dirty word; SUCCESS!

He will bring all people together in cooperation.

He shall know the Tanach thoroughly

All, from the highest to the lowest shall work with him. 

It (his work) shall be completed the first time around, while he is alive.

His work, the work of G-d, shall last.

And, yes, as it is what G-d said, his father's line has to be all the way back to King David. (Sorry Mike, but it has to be His way, to work. Has it worked, yet?)

I, to be up front, perceive him to have a good since of humor, loyal Jew (Orthodox is a word we can use?!?), to motivate us to work together, without labels.

Probably the most important thing; no labels! To see each other as a human being, my sibling, able to leap false ideas in a single thought!

Love and respect shall not have to be mentioned, as we shall do so automatically.

On the link? I found it to be a good way for all Bible studies; even Hebrew, Greek and Latin. Just thought I would mentioned it, for you and others.

There is much more, Mike. However; peace, wellness, parents and children seeing the good example all around, shall do as the Prophet stated; "Learn war no more."

To me, Mike, not only you, Njoy, Claire and I shall have positive relations, but AC and others shall be received with a hug, as a sibling. Why not? We all are.

GBY

Shalom;

Yechiel

 
jameslee102447

Yechielshlipshon the one thing I don't like about your post is that you seem to always be telling Christians that their religion and Faith in Jesus the Christ is misguided and not real. All of what you have pointed out has come to pass including the part about "it will all be completed the first time around," you may not see it but some do. It is completed and is unfolding in Gods time frame of which there is no time for it is all just one moment with Spirit, a twinkling of an eye, time is a measurement of mans, but what I am saying is that it has been completed, and all are awaiting its enfoldment. Jesus the Christ the Word of God, God made flesh is the first cause of this peace on earth that you have described. The Christian Faith is not misguided, they believe in the same God as you do, the God of Abraham, Jehovah, Jesus, Christ, the Messiah, Yeshua HaMachiach. Also He was King David’s Son.
Matthew 15:22 and Luke 3:23-28. Unless this is also wrong scripture.
In keeping with the Law of Moses, the Messiah was named Jesus/Yeshua when
He was eight days old, on the day of his circumcision (Luke 2:21).

[His Hebrew name, Yeshua, has been transliterated as 'Jesus' in English
since it comes from the Latin transliteration 'Iesus.']
Anyone who repents, however, can be cleansed of their sins through the blood
of Messiah Yeshua (Jesus).
The only thing I am trying to convince you of is that maybe you are misguided and perhaps both religions are correct.
So let me ask you flat out, do you really believe that Christianity is false and that your religion is the only one that believes in the ONE TRUE GOD, and that the Christian Faith is wrong to put the Faith in Jesus the Christ because he is not the ONE TRUE GOD?

 
Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

There is vertually no such thing as a false religion. That some aspect of our religioins are not functioning as we may think they should is another item, one I shall not try to cover here.

What I am relating to you is that G-d told us certain things, which forbids Jews accepting another religion, or even part of a philisophy which does not have any connectioin to His Torah.

So it is that post 4th century "Christianity" is not in conformity with Torah. He does not share His Glory with another, does not change, and here is the Biggi; "I do not send out My word, that it does not return to Me fulfilled."

He said what the coming of Moshiac shall do. Not done yet, so we know by this there has not beenany Moshiac by Tanach standards.

You asked.

When all He promised shall happened, then we shall know Moshiac has arrived. We, the human race in general, us Jews, in particular, still has to do our part.

One good example of what He meant is seen in these postings.Christians pointing fingers at each other, and the more I pointed out how this only hurts the cause, the more finger pointing I have seen/read. Claire and I agree that it would be better if it was non-existant.

Back to my original statement that there is no such thing as a false religion. Christianity says the same thing. The problem, and issue is that you all have failed to do and to observe. That is on you. Christians who obey G-d have a bettr life; for them, much of what G-d promised when the Moshiac arrives is true.

Now, if we could all immulate them, and the observant Jews, Hindus, Buddest, Moslims, Confusian...

You stated; >>> The Christian Faith is not misguided, they believe in the same God as you do, the God of Abraham, Jehovah, Jesus, Christ, the Messiah, Yeshua HaMachiach. Also He was King David’s Son. 

Matthew 15:22 and Luke 3:23-28. Unless this is also wrong scripture.
In keeping with the Law of Moses, the Messiah was named Jesus/Yeshua when He was eight days old, on the day of his circumcision (Luke 2:21).<<<

In other words, first we earn Moshic, then he can do his job.

G-d according to the Torah, and the Prophets, cannot be physical at any time. Also, if the NT is correct, according to the Torah and the rest of the Tanach, no way Jesus could be decended from David. It has to be Patrilinical to be Kosher, and I read that by Luke, Mary's ancistry cannot count here. So, Mike, to answer your question; Jesus (the English trasliteration of Yasus=Gift if god) cannot be the Moshiac according to G-d. Also, "sus" is a form of Zeus, which means gift, and was the Helinic religion's main god. The name, again, =gift of god, and hundreds of people, including Jews, such as Barnabus (Jesus bar Abba=gift of god, son of the Father).

Theory we have is that Moshiac has arrived several tmes, but our behavior has prevented him from doing what is needed for us to have Moshiac, and the Moshiac age.

One more thing, Mike; you asked me a "simple" questioni. I answered it as good as I could in as brief post as possibel. For more info, there is >>> Origin of Christmas | The Real Story of Christmas | How it Began 

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm - Cached
The Origins of Christmas. The Real Story of Christmas origin of christmas. The Real Story of Christmas (download) (low bandwidth) The Real Story of Christmas ...<<<

On Judaism, there are many articles thre you can read, to answer any of your questions, with links.

Let us make it so!

Shalom;

Yechiel

 
jameslee102447

What I am seeing here is that you are putting your understanding of scripture above the Christian Faith. And very explicitly saying that Christians have it all wrong and that their scripture is not true. This is very unbecoming. Fellow your understanding and hold fast to those things you accept as true, but when you degrade the Christian Faith you are doing the same thing you have accused others of doing. And this is wrong. You state “If the NT is correct, according to the Torah and the rest of the Tanach, no way Jesus could be descended from David.” Guess the Christian’s have that wrong also.

He was descended from David via Joseph. Is it not obvious that according to you, if you believe what the prophets said, and that is He would be born of a virgin, but according to you, He would have been born of man, Spirit, and virgin. Being born of man would not make him the Son of God, being born of Spirit did.

 

Here are some Christian scriptures that you are saying are not true.

Matthew 1:1


The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Matthew 9:24
And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, Thou son of David, have mercy on us.

Matthew 12:23
And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

Matthew 15:22
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

Matthew 20:30
And, behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David.

Matthew 20:31
And the multitude rebuked them, because they should hold their peace: but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David.

Matthew 21:9
And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

Matthew 21:15
And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were sore displeased,

Matthew 22:42
Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

Mark 10:47
And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, Jesus, thou son of David, have mercy on me.

Mark 10:48
And many charged him that he should hold his peace: but he cried the more a great deal, Thou son of David, have mercy on me.

Mark 12:35
And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?

Luke 3:31
Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

Luke 18:38
And he cried, saying, Jesus, thou son of David, have mercy on me.

Luke 18:39
And they which went before rebuked him, that he should hold his peace: but he cried so much the more, Thou son of David, have mercy on me.

Lsaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Luke 1:27
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

 
Anonymous Comment

jameslee, I must tell you that I see the truth with the same spirit in me as you have in you, and I understand what you are seeing. What you are seeing is true and that spiritual understanding of the truth you are seeing  can only come from the Holy Spirit of God. I just wanted to shear that with you.  GBY.

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