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Which religion should I convert to?

The hardest thing for many Christians when reading the word of God is, who’s talking ? I am not talking about the apostles or the prophets.

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When I say that Jesus is the ONLY way, the ONLY truth and the ONLY life and that apart from knowing Jesus as God, you will not go to heaven, I am not being a bigot as NJOY and others accuse me of being. I am not judging those who do not believe what God says,  Gods word is judging them. I am not saying something new, but just reiterating (posting) what God says through the Bible. It is not me talking, It's Jesus Christ talking through  His word I post. Thus, your arguments are with God, not me.



Njoy This AC needs to be ignored.  Nothing will be gained by listening to him.

 

Yechielshlipshon Dear Njoy; You are right. This pest tries to draw us out, so he can have an excuse to say how good he is, based on how well he can put us down. To me, these postings are like dirt on my screen. I ignore them, as there are so many decent persons to communicate with. I do not even bother to report this stuff, as it is a waste of time

 

Yechielshlipshon 
Dear Mike;
What do you expect from a bigot? Ignore this dirt on our screens.
GBY

 

 
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He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. (Luke 10:16)

 
MikeC

God said, "I am the way. Follow me."

. Jesus proclaimed aloud; "Whoever puts faith in me believes not so much in me(His own physical being)as him who sent me; (his spiritual self/God himself) and whoever looks on me is seeing him who sent me. (Self explanatory)

 

There is an identity crisis going on. Not only with who is speaking but when, where, and why the words are spoken. There is a lot of present tense, past tense, and future tense readings in the Bible along with the ability to understand, who’s talking and why.

When the prophets spoke, they where speaking for God, for all our ears to hear. To me when Jesus spoke, it was God himself talking to us as himself in human form as a teacher. Not as a master, but as a friend. God himself was showing us how to live, what our major priorities should be with each other. (‘Love your neighbor as yourself") God not only told us, He showed us. We have to understand not everyone believes Jesus was God. What we do not have to understand is why.(It might be helpful, but not necessary) God understands and that is all we have to know. We, no matter what, have a commitment to those who Christ died for. His words on the cross, where to "forgive them" our words out of pure respect for Him should be to do our best to emulate Him.

 
Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

We forget that we have a problem with self, as in the image of G-d reflected in me.

Three words from the Bible may help with this;

http://front.moveon.org/three-words-in-the-bible-that-some-people-totally-ignore/#.T57r6t4olGU.facebook

Shalom;

Yechiel

GBY

 
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It is obvious by our posts that we do not all think alike.  We do not all have the same abilities.  We come from vastly different backgrounds and we have very different ideas about what kind of future we are looking forward to.     The only thing we have in common is:  We believe in God.

 

To me it seems that AC (for some reason) feels a need to constantly copy our words to each other and post them in his posts.  What his point is, I can't imagine.  I knew another person who did that and he posted under the name of KID.  This AC could be him.  I do not know and do not care.  This AC who does this is boring as all get out to me, and his incessant pronouncement of Jesus being the Way etc is something I think he needs to work on and think deeper about.  But, he won't listen to me, and he won't listen to Yechiel or Jameslee when we attempt to share with him our view.  Which happens to be a much broader view of what Christ Jesus was saying.  AC likes the narrow view.  He is uncomfortable thinking otherwise.  That is fine.  One cannot force their thoughts down an-other's throat.  I wish AC would realize that fact also.

 
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“Men and women will die for what they believe to be true, though it may actually be false. They do not, however, die for what they know is a lie.”

 
Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Njoy;

We can listen to each other, look at what each other has to share, explore what each other has and remember the old phrase; Onto the own self, be true.

Maybe weakness in this area is one reason for the immature behavior we have seen in a couple of persons? As with everything else in life, if I want to achieve something, I have to work at it. Even "salvation" is not handed out without some effort on each person's part, despite the slogans we may read.

I suggest a hard look at one self, if that person feels weak in an area. See what he needs, and work to achieve what he needs.

Funny, but the phrase; "unto each, his own, by each one's effort, he shall achieve." Is as true today, as it was in the days of Abraham ('ets hayomi haAvraham) (Here, "at" sounds like 'ets in some sentences).

We are still communicating with each other. This has been because we respect each other. He is not heavy, but his approach is heavy handed, and purposeless. We have a purpose here, and for me it is not to sell a product, but to learn.

Shalom;

Yechiel

 
MikeC

A.C believes that in order to get to heaven, you need to believe in Jesus the Christ. There is no ifs, ands, or buts. He may be posting for the benefit of everyone else, trying to save there souls as he see’s it. ( I believe Sam is much the same way) (Different views) To me, A.C. posts to much information and we land up not knowing where exactly to respond. I don’t think it is out of bigotry that he responds the way he does as much as it seem’s to be out of desperation to make a point. I think I understand A.C., the A.C"s . in this world have been around for a long time.

To me, that is one of the reasons we have so many different factions in the Church of Christ.

The trouble I have is, I understand a lot of what A.C. posts and I have to agree with a lot of it. There is a difference however, the whys, whats, wheres and how comes. That is where we differ. I do believe that the Bible is the true word of God. Primary source of information. I do believe it is good to read about the opinion of others. I can simply say this, if the written word of others does not have any kind of reasonable explanation that co insides with the words of the Bible, I don’t believe it is worth the paper it is written on. Not to be argumentative, I don’t care what religion it is from.

 
MikeC

Yechiel You know I do not take any of your rebutted statements as disrespectful. They are only from a different perspective. I would say that any Christian that is worth his salt, has to agree that we both believe that the G_d of Adam & Eve, Abrahma and Moses is the same G_d we all believe in. So far, so good ? Now here is the kicker, can you tell me the essence of God or the makeup of G_d ? This one, all universal, omnipresent Lord that we both believe in. ? This is not a trick question. It is something both Jew’s and Gentiles have to reflect on. As far as Christian go, (Yechiel, no need to answer this. ) Does" God change his mind ? Did God change who he was after he became the essence in Christ ? Jew’s believe the Messiah is yet to come, Christians believe that the Messiah has already come. Point being, one way or the other, the source of the Messiah is from the same G_d/God. The God of Abraham. Going back centuries in time after the death of Adam and Eve, before or after the flood. Many god’s evolved. The God of Adam and Eve was no longer one. To me, God used Abraham to establish his sounding board for the ONE universal God. After the death of Adam or Eve, it is not known how these other god’s came about. 1st. Commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before me. To me, God saw what was happening. Yechiel, don’t take this the wrong way. This is where I believe the Jew’s came into being. Why Abraham came into play. The chosen people to me, not because the Jew’s where chosen over the importance of everybody else. But they where chosen to lead the way to the one universal and all omnipresent Lord G_d., the one of Adam and Eve. To me, your ancestors did a fabulous job of standing by with vigilance and an utterly strong conviction of the one true God. It has always been about the admiration, the recognition of the One Universal Lord our God. There is no other.

The essence of G_d has always been the same, as has his word. I know you have a hard time with this as do many Christians. The essence of God has never changed even with his embodiment with Christ. To me, G_d’s will, was verbally expressed out loud so as all could hear the word of God through the body of Jesus. If you are Jewish, I guess the thing that you may want to keep in mind is that a Christian believes that it was through a man that God did his talking personally. That is not much different than through a prophet that did his talking by interjections of G_d. To me what we both have to come and understand is, the why’s and the how’s. I believe Christ is the Messiah, you don’t. Now, what does all this mean? Well, I know what some will say. As for me ? I trust that the G_d we both believe in is just, and there is no need for me to worry about you !. Secondly, there is nothing I can do about it either way !

 
Yechielshlipshon Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Dear Mike;

G-d answered your questions! He stated that He is as He said He is, and He does not change His mind. This, by the way, includes only a Spiritual form/force; never physical; "I am not a man, that I lie."

He also, as I have stated more than once, told us what we can and cannot legitimately accept as part of our religion. He gave these to the Nations, but for us...

So it boils down to what the end result shall be. We have Torah to bring to Humanity, Christianity has His teachings to refine, and bring Humanity to His Torah. End of story.

By you all engaging in these conversations, you open the way to better understanding Him, and to put behind you incompatible concepts your founders in the 3rd and 4th centuries picked up. Doing so, you return to the simple faith of Jesus, and to his form of Judaism he taught.

It shall be a couple more centuries before all of this materializes. Meantime, a lot of learning to do.

Shalom;

Yechiel

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