Discuss MikeC's answer to: Best Religion

Dear Mike; 

Why I posted the material I did. It is from the Tanach, not my views. I happen to agree with most of what is recorded, and try to live by it. I have not deliberately try to down any faith, just remove the obstacle to understanding where we are. As it happens, the Jewish people have the respect of much of the world from what we have accomplished. Claire read to me an excerpt from one of her books, where a Scotsman related a comparison between his people, the Scots, and the Jews. He recognized that we have accomplished much good because of our love for G-d and land, as his people have.

After I listen to her, I thought for a moment, and told her I have heard little  to nothing about negativity from Scottish people or nation, about us.

She said we are to much alike. Yup, spiritually, we are brothers; we both have had many of the same knocks, which as you know, gave us a boost.

Enjoy the next page, Mike and all.

Shalom;

Yechiel

MikeC Anoymous    You are a sinner however, does that make that a big difference in the eyes of Christ ?




Mike don't even talk about faith when you don't even believe in repentance, after Jesus soundly declared the message in His day: "repent ye, and believe the gospel, you deny what Jesus Christ said,"REPENT"!!!


  Why Did Jesus Come?

    "... I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance" (Matt. 9:13).

The reason Jesus came to this earth was to call sinners to repentance. Those who did not see themselves as sinners, deserving God's wrath, were not candidates for God's salvation. The sinner must reject his own righteousness, because Jesus did not come to call the righteous, not even the self-righteous. The only way a sinner will come to reject his own righteousness is by coming face to face with his own wickedness. You can take it from the lips of Jesus Himself as a settled issue that He will not call the righteous. Only those to whom it is revealed (by God's Spirit) that they are lost, depraved, ungodly sinners will respond to the calling of the Saviour in salvation.
All Sinners Commanded To Repent and Believe

Jesus soundly declared the message in His day: "repent ye, and believe the gospel." Repentance and faith are inseparable and occur simultaneously in a sinner's heart; you cannot have one without the other. The order as given in the Bible is repentance and faith (Mark 1:15; Acts 20:21; 26:20; 2 Tim. 2:25; Heb. 6:1).

Repentance is turning from sin; and faith is turning to Christ. Repentance comes about through the convicting power of the Spirit of God using the Word of God to cause a change of attitude, action, and affection.

Saving faith is trust in and reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ as one's personal Lord and Saviour. Saving faith is believing with your heart; it is coming to Christ, receiving Christ, looking to Christ, calling upon Christ to save your soul.

Yes, Jesus said you must repent and believe the gospel, because the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation, to every one that believes (Rom. 1:16). The gospel, the good news for every sinner, is that Christ died on the cross for our sins, as our Substitute, and shed His precious blood to wash away our sins, and arose from the dead on the third day in order that we might have the forgiveness of sins and have eternal life through Him. Salvation of one's soul is the most important thing in this whole world.

But repentance without faith is nothing more than remorse or regret. And faith without repentance makes Christ nothing more than a fire escape. There must be a work of repentance and faith upon the sinner's heart before salvation can become a reality. Repentance is caused by the working of the Holy Spirit who takes the Sword of the Spirit and slays the sinner's self-righteousness, self- goodness, self-decency, self-esteem, and causes him to cry out: "God be merciful to me a sinner" (Luke 18:13) and "what must I do to be saved?" (Acts 16:30).

Is the preaching of repentance important?

Jesus thought so enough that He preached it. John the Baptist preached it (Matt. 3:1-2). The apostles were commanded to preach it: "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47).

Who is commanded to repent?

    "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:30).

The good, the bad, the rich, the poor, the old, the young, the educated, the uneducated -- every man must repent because we are all sinners. Notice it is God's command that
is to be obeyed, now.

What happens if you don't repent?

    "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5).

The worst thing in the world for any person is to perish in their sins without Christ as their Saviour and spend an eternity in the lake of fire, to be tormented and suffer forever and ever.

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" (John 3:16-17).

Turn from yourself and sin and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ to save your soul -- that is the sinner's only hope.

It is your view vs. mine you don't agree with,or is it your view vs. what Jesus Christ says you don't agree with?

Who is it you don't agree with, me or Jesus Christ?

Who was it that said what? Was it ME or was it Jesus?

Who was it that said,"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47).

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5).

Was it ME who said that? Who are you not agreeing with, ME or Jesus?  WHO?

WHO SAID,"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5).

WHO? Was it ME or was it Jesus? Who is it you are not agreeing with? ME or Jesus?

WHO?  Who was it that said,"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5).

Was it ME? OR Was it Jesus? WHO? Who is it you do not agree with? WHO?  Is it ME or is it Jesus?

WHO? Who said, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5).

Was it ME or was it Jesus? WHO? Who is it you do not agree with? WHO?  Is it ME or is it Jesus who said,"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5). that you do not agree with? WHO? WHO said it? ME or Jesus?

WHO? Who said, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5). that you do not agree with?

Was it ME who said "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5). that you do not agree with?

OR was it Jesus who said," "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5). that you do not agree with?

WHO? WHO said repent? WHO? Was it Jesus or was it ME that you do not agree with? WHO? Who said it ME or Jesus? WHO?

Anyone (except you)  can see it is Jesus that you do not agree with. It's what Jesus said that you do not agree with. WHO? WHO said "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5).

Was it ME or was it Jesus who said "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish"  WHO? Who said it?  WHO?  Jesus said it Mike, Jesus said it. Who is it you do not agree with? WHO? 

Jesus. who you do not agree with. NOT ME. I didn't  write "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" JESUS DID, WHO WROTE IT? 

WHO?  JESUS wrote it.  NOT ME. WHO is it you do not agree with? WHO?  It's Jesus you do not agree with.

SO, YOU TOLD  JESUS ," It is your view vs. mine. I am not sorry for having a different view than yours. Jesus wrote it, I didn't.

WHO? WHO is it you do not agree with? WHO? Who wrote"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3,5). that you do not agree with?

WHO?  It is Jesus who you do not agree with.

Anonymous comment     Why do you have to fight. I will never repent my sin's to you. And it is none of your business when and why I repented to Jesus. That is between me and Jesus. You have nothing to do with anything I repent for. You have nothing to do with anything anyone has to repent for. You just like to make noise and sound like you know what Christ said. At the same time you seek appeasement like you have something to do with judgement. You say the words of Jesus and yet you don't realize or even come close to understanding that it is not you that anyone needs approval from or that you are some kind of mediator between a person and Jesus. You said Jesus said you need to repent. Good for you ! Now get the hell out of the way and let a person repent to Jesus without your interference. That is between Jesus and them or me or anyone else you attack ! Jesus said to repent but Jesus does not need your approval if it is good enough or not !

Did I say repent to me!!! Did I say Jesus needs my approval!! Did I say it was my business when and why you repented to Jesus. You know dam well what I said. Stop twisting what I said!!!! I did not say Jesus needs my approval and I did not say it was my business when and why you repented to Jesus, I did not say repent to me, !!!!!!!!

You probably repented to some human catholic priest anyway, you smart mouth Asshole!!!!!!!

I SAID JESUS SAID to repent!!!!!

Stay away from woman or you may go back to jail.

Dear Mike;

I think the doctor was being kind to her.

Shalom;

Yechiel

As the poster Njoy has said, Jesus of Nazareth was merely a man who had volunteered Himself to be used as a vehicle through which “the Christ, as Sanat Kumara / Lord of this World, the One Initiator, manifested although He did eventually achieve “Master” status and is now an Ascended Master.


Jesus passed the seventh brotherhood test; and, in so doing, received the highest degree, THE CHRIST.  This title and degree had to be conferred upon Him by God himself  at Baptism.  Prior to this, Jesus could not rightly be called “the Christ” or Jesus Christ as He was merely Jesus of Nazareth; however, after Baptism He was on His way to become “the Christ  as “Head of Hierarchy for the Piscean Age.


The word Christ means the anointed one, and then it is an official title.  It means, The Master of Love.  When we say ‘Jesus, the Christ’ we refer to the man and to his office; just as we do when we say…Lincoln, the President…Lincoln was not always President, and Jesus was not always Christ. 


 [Baptism] marked a tremendous change in the life of Jesus of Nazareth.  Up to that time, for thirty years, He had simply been the carpenter of the little town, and the son of His parents.  He was a personality doing much good in a small sphere.  But after the purification in Jordan, having ‘fulfilled all righteousness,’ He became the Christ.


The Christ,” as Sanat Kumara / Lord of this World, the One Initiator, which provided this initiation, remained with Jesus until the Crucifixion at which point “the Christ” left him:


The Christ is an immortal being transcending all laws of nature and it is not possible for anyone to crucify or kill the Christ.  They killed his disciple Jesus through whom the Christ was speaking by crucifying him

Jesus did not provide Atonement on the Cross as the propitiation for our sins.  Rather, He provided a pattern/model for each of us to follow in order to actualize our own divinity and thus save ourselves

Njoy Good Morning MikeC and Yechiel.  MikeC, your previous comment to AC was well said, and one I can agree with.  As you both know, I attend a lot of discussions in person as well as online.

Let me help you understand what the term apostasy means in light of Christianity:

Apostasy

The falling away from the faith. It is a revolt against the truth of God’s word by a believer. It can also describe a group or church organization that has "fallen away" from the truths of Christianity as revealed in the Bible.



You do not take the Word of God to be the Supreme Authority of God, Njoy. Your teachings cannot be found in Scripture. Therefore, they are against Scripture. Therefore they are not Christian.