Which religion should I convert to?
There is a lot of discussion on these postings about Jewish beliefs, of what G-d has said, regarding salvation. I shall post a series of articles over the nest few weeks, for those who read our postings and may wish for a clearer idea, and less bias one, on what Jews believe.
Essay #5: Jews DO NOT believe in original sin. Jews believe that one is born into the world with original purity, not with original sin. We know human beings can choose to do evil, but Judaism does not dwell on that fact. Rather, we rejoice, as we believe Gd rejoices, when human beings choose to do good. IN SHORT... Jews do not believe in the existence of Original Sin. The concept of Original Sin states simply that because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, they brought Death into the world. In this view, every human being dies because the origin of the human race was tainted with sin: Adam and Eve committed a sin, all humans bear guilt of that sin, and are therefore punished with death. However, the Bible describes something entirely different. Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden because if they remained, they could eat the fruit of the Tree of Life, which would make them immortal. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become immortal, then they were created mortal. They did not bring Death into the world, and we do not die because they sinned. The first essay on this website explains how, in the view of the Bible, one person cannot die as a punishment for the sins committed by another. We die because Death is a natural part of existence, and has been from the moment the first human beings were created. This explains why, before Adam and Eve ate the fruit from The Tree of The Knowledge of Good And Evil, Gd told the animals to be fruitful and to multiply, since they needed to replace themselves. Gd also said the same thing to Adam and Eve before they ate that fruit as well. A MORE COMPLETE EXPLANATION... The Christian concept of Original Sin is that since Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, all human beings are born not only with a tendency to sin, but they are also born with the guilt of Adam and Eve, and for this guilt, all human beings die (see I Corinthians 15:21-22 where it states, 'For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive'). In other words, Adam and Eve brought death into the world as a result of their sin, and because of this sin, all human beings die. This is simply unbiblical. The text does not tell us that Adam and Eve were removed from the Garden of Eden because they sinned. (Please note that the first time the Bible uses the term, 'sin,' it is NOT in reference to Adam and Eve, it is in reference to the jealousy of Cain against Abel in Genesis 4:7.) Rather, Adam and Eve were removed from the Garden of Eden because there was another tree in the Garden from which Gd did not want them to eat. That tree was the Tree of Life. But think about this logically. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become immortal, then Gd made them mortal to begin with. Adam and Eve were created in such a way that Death was a natural part of their existence, from the moment of their Creation. The text of Genesis 3:22-24 tells us that Adam and Eve were almost like Gd and the Angels, because they knew the difference between Good and Evil. Both Gd and the Angels know the difference between Good and Evil, but both Gd and the Angels are immortal as well. Because Adam and Eve had eaten the fruit of The Tree of the Knowledge of Good And Evil, they instantly knew the difference between Good and Evil. However, Adam and Eve were not yet immortal because they had not yet eaten from the Tree of Life. Therefore Gd separated Adam and Eve from the Tree of Life by casting them out of the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve did not bring Death into the world. And the Etrnl Gd said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree Of Life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Etrnl Gd sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the Tree of Life. [Genesis 3:22-24] The verses above make it abundantly clear. Why were Adam and Eve driven out of the Garden of Eden? 'Lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree Of Life, and eat and live for ever, THEREFORE THE ETERNAL SENT HIM FORTH...' Gd evicted Adam and Eve so that they could not become immortal by eating from the Tree of Life. Just as Adam and Eve (and their descendants) became responsible for their choices between Good and Evil because they ate that first time from that tree, so would they and their descendants become immortal the first time Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Life as well. Additionally, to ensure that Adam and Eve and their descendants would remain separated from the Tree of Life, Gd placed the Cherubim and the flaming sword 'to keep the way of the Tree Of Life.' We human beings do not die because of their sin, we die because Gd made Death a part of life from the moment of Creation. There may be such a thing as The Original Mistake, but there is no such thing as Original Sin. I hope the above is useful in your studies of His word.
Julius Watler aka Yechiel, by posting non stop under all of your aliaases does that keep your mind off your other hobby?
Anonymous You know this thread is not about you or me, yechiel, Njoy, Jameslee or any other person. Each post needs to be treated as a separate thought. Respond to the thought, not the person. You act like a spoiled 5 year old that can’t get his own way. You are not doing the will of Christ ! Wake up! Stay on topic if you know how and stop with the nonsense. I know you are intelligent so use the gift God has given you to respond intelligently to a thought. You will be a much better asset to those watching. Right now the way I see it, you are only about "self."
I am not here to do the will of Christ. I am here to point out the posts of an insane right wing hate monger. Which may well be the will of Christ.
The above Anon's are not me, mike. that is the Anon who accuses yechiel of being Rocmike,
Yes you are right but it is not accuse it is a fact.
A FBI profiler would have described the perfect type of person who would post as Rocmike like Julius Wakler is.
Yecheil In my opinion when you said that ,"Jews do not believe in the existence of Original Sin." This statement tells me that the Jews are not being honest with themselves. One of the very first introductions in the bible is Genesis. The term Original stands for the "very first". My reaction to you and the Jewish faith knowing what the term "original" means that there are other motives behind the argument. Does the Jewish faith argue that there was an original mistake ?
An original fault ? An original disobedience ? I feel that there is deception going on here with the obvious. If deception is being used from the very first recorded history by the word of G_d how could anything be trusted
You said, " But think about this logically. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become immortal, then Gd made them mortal to begin with."
I feel you are wrong again and I do try to think logically about things. First of all we do not know how many years Adam and Eve where living in paradise. I said this before, I also believe that Adam and Eve both had high intelligence. Not under the assumption of intelligence today, by that I mean, out of need we create, we learn, we invent and we know we need to keep inventing, keep needing and keep wanting. There is the difference ! Adam and Eve did not need for anything, they did not want for anything. It was all given to them. They became spoiled, that is the reason they became foolish and ate from the tree. The one and only command that God presented them with. "The original command of God to mankind" To me it was death on this earth that was established, not eternal death. Not spiritual death. That is another story for another time. You bring up the tree of life and death. You bring up the terms "see, they have become just like us. The tree of life has always been G_d, he gives and he takes away. The snake was the symbol of Lucifer and the tree is a symbol of God in my view. Because I am Christian, it also means the tree of life is Christ as well. I know you don’t believe that but that is why we talk. When you think about it, it was not the tree that was the problem, it was the fruit of that tree that was the problem. Only because God’s original command to mankind did this tree become known as the tree of good (G-d) and evil (Lucifer, the principle subject behind the eating of the fruit) Adam and Eve talked to God personally, new of his goodness, knew He created them so they also knew of his power. The first (original) desire of mankind was for the power of G_d and that was the beginning of the loss of power of mankind on earth. As far as the importance of the Garden ? They where cast out of the place where G_d gave them everything. There was to be no going back, no hope to retain what was lost here on earth. In my opinion, God did not ever want them to have the least premonitions that it could be reestablished. It was simply taken away without ever being seen again. Adam and Eve had to learn to fend for themselfs with the help of God. They would have never made it in life without him. Each person, each generation, has to seek and come to understand the importance of G-d with the promise of G-d that there is still a paradise but not on this earth.
I respect the beliefs of all who are honest with themselves and others. I am not going to debate anything.
I post a series of articles which bring out the plain text of the word of G-d. The rest is commentary.
I am not anyone but whom I say I am, and do not care what any one posts about me. All it is is a bunch of letters, as far as I am concern.
On the series, it is the word of G-d, with commentary to highlight really what should be obvious. Accept or not as you wish. Many have and changed their faith because of His truth.
I did not post about you yechiel. I responded to the articles.
Rocmike aka Yechiel is your blogging 24/7 keeping your mind off your other hobby?