Discuss jameslee102447's answer to: Best Religion

Dear Jameslee;

We have the same things in common, just the direction we are going.

I am not saying ow wonderful I am; just posting what is either His word, or what connects His word on certain concepts.

There-in lays our main difference; I can look at what is stated over a period of time and receive a line of connectivity from one point to another; you look at the same source, and show you have your belief to view it through. I precent what my source is; you show how you interpret your source.

I have no problem with interpretation of sources, but you show you want your way to be respected, but have you shown the same respect for others?

I clammer for help for your fellow Christians in the Middle East to get help a few months ago. I posted what one of the survivors said, and you chastised me for it.

I made some comment(s) you took offense to, I asked for the page number, so I could see where I offended you and if necessary make correction if I posted wrong. You came back with you would not copy (which I did not ask for) a post, and the best you came up with was I implied! Implied what, I still do not know what you were talking about.

Then, when I proved to intransigent in my belief for you, you stated you doubt my being Jewish?!?! What could you have been thinking then?

But, because I refuse to accept your view (and remember, not everyone in a given family sees things or believe things the same way) instead of honest conversation, you come back with more criticism.

Instead of looking for ways to deny what I post, try my method; take a full look at what you read, break it down to parts, and see how it fits in your ability to understand what is there. thousands of Christians are and changing the face of the faith.

An experiment;  Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Do you agree with the above, and accept it?

Shalom;

Yechiel

Attn: Yechiel

All I see you ever do is say "I this, I that" and "You this and you that". And once again implying what is not there. This is not showing respect to anyone, all you are doing is trying to imply that you think this way and it is better, and others think that way which is not my way and is not as good. You make it real clear when you say “I present what my source is; you show how you interpret your source.” You say your source is but other s are only interpreting their source, now how dumb is that? Once again trying to elevate yourself. As for respect goes, I find it difficult to respect anyone with such arrogance.

As for your postings made months ago, it is not worth going over again, it was what it was and I stand by everything I said then, trying to justify yourself now don’t cut it. What was said back then was very clear.

No one expects you to compromise your beliefs, it’s a given that no one willingly compromises their beliefs, and if they did no one would even know it, it’s their belief. I doubt that you are Jewish because you are not in character and do not show the quality of the Jewish people that I know, but it is only doubt.

I never asked you to accept my view, I only presented it. My conversation with you is very honest otherwise what you call criticism would not have been expressed. Your conversation to me and others in most cases is always the same, of why you do not believe that Jesus the Christ is not the Anointed One, the Messiah, the Lord and Savior. I don’t care of why you do not believe in Jesus the Christ, but what I do care about is your Antichrist type of conversation.

I do not look for ways to deny what you post, there’s no reason to, it is very clear that what you post is your spin, some is correct and some not. As for your so called experiment that is nothing more then a Yes or No question, I find it beneath you. But if you want a Q & A segment then describe the Messiah.

Dear James;

You accuse me of only posting what I believe, more or less. What I did was to see if you could agree with me on a biblical quote, without getting into who or what. (Matt. 19:16-19) i agree with it all the way, do you?

Like the post that you caould not identify that offended you, but it was only an implicatioin, not actuale words, most of what you say about me holds little to go with.

You  made this statement; What was said back then was very clear.

No one expects you to compromise your beliefs, it’s a given that no one willingly compromises their beliefs, and if they did no one would even know it, it’s their belief. I doubt that you are Jewish because you are not in character and do not show the quality of the Jewish people that I know, but it is only doubt.

I thought about this and other coments you made about how I "sound". Only explaination I have is that, growing up and living in a predomiently Gentile environment, i have been so strongly influenced by my friends that I sound a little like them. I do not know if this is a complement or not, but I guess even when your ideas are those of your culture, you still can exhibit the inflence of another one. Something for me to think about, and maybe I can use to help be clearer on some of my writins. So I thank you there.

I post a lot on other sights, be surprise with your mindset how many thank me for my views; with what I learned from you, maybe I can be more helpful with those whohave issues of identity than I have been.

So on their behalf, i thank you James for your imput. Only, I still see you as to quick to judge, and to slow to see how you relate. Again, this could be from the influence I pick up from my friends, how i see things, as it is with you.

We all have our "cross" to bear, but I recognize this, and do respect it; I also hold to the right to say so.

Shalom;

Yechiel

PS;

Looking back on some of your posts of cretic, on me and others, I understand your feelings of posting what one thinks; but for some, this is the best qway to express what he or she thinks, so as to not offend. Obviously, it does not work with everyone.

Again you say what was not said, I did not accuse you of posting what you believe, I accused you of being deceptive and posting antichrist comments. What you did was give a biblical quote from the New Testament regarding Jesus the Christ of which you do not believe is your Lord and Savior, and then asked me a yes or no question of which the answer is obvious. And it was not like the post that offended me, this is just more of your misdirecting, or are you now saying that you know what post you have been referring to, or how could you claim it is like the one I could not identify? And it was actual words, words that you strung together with implications; this is part of your deceptive nature.

Your understanding and comment regarding compromising beliefs is commendable and has reflected an even playing field regarding our Faiths.

I am quick to defend not quick to judge, because I do not like antichrist comments, and when you say Jesus the Christ is not the Messiah and comment about the Virgin Birth as being untrue, you are attacking the icon of Christianity rather your beliefs disagree or not. This is why I say that when you write Glorifying Jehovah I am with you, but when you write against the foundation of Christianity you are reflecting the Antichrist.

Dear James;

As my mother always said; "Two wrongs do not a right make." When I was 21, I was downtown LA, looking for a job, and by coincidence, there was a group of young evangelist trying to practice their responsibility.

Within a block, I was accosted several times by one or two of them. I would give a quick response like; yes, I know about your Jesus, then walk on towards where I had an appointment.

As I was walking a young woman approached me, and out of reflex, I started to shy away from her. But I took a look at her, in her eyes there was not the same fanaticism I experienced in the others, but a beseeching. She was trying to find an address, and hoped I could help.

If I had just reacted, and not made the effort to recognize where this person, a fellow human being was, I would have been in error of insulting her with indifference.

As it is, with the sometimes deluge of appeals for me to accept a form of religion I cannot change to, I may get a little weary of what someone has to say to me about their faith. Usually, it is without the recognition that as a Jew, I am responsible to hold to a form of acceptance and knowledge He gave us.

To not only stay firm in my loyalty to Him, but also in responding to the challenges I get from "true believers," I  may forget to look in the eyes of the spondant. My error, but it is completely untrue to say I am anti-anything; rather, I am pro what I know, from what I read, the truth for His People to be.

You have the right to believe that anyone you say is whatever you say; you do not have the right to use the judgmental comments you have used as above, as with that woman 45 years ago, it is disrespectful at the least.

You have the right to state what you do of my approach, as I do with you. This is not the problem, nor what chased Mike off of this blog. It is disrespect of the other, saying in effect that if I disagree, I am wrong. From the first day I have advocated respect for all and accepting of this responsibility, as all are in themselves, correct.

As for who is a Jew? Anyone who is born by a Jewish mother, or converts by Halachah, and does not accept another religions theology. This includes Jewish Atheist (although I have a problem with that one). It is the Law of our Faith, until a majority changes it, as He told us in the Torah. 

As you said, I also am quick to defend, but I do try to avoid attack, unless not agreeing is considered to be an attack?

So let us try it as we can agree on, and put the eye-daggers away for more appropriate times and place.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Dear James;

One other item, where I may have missed the boat, as per your statement about me;

In Deut.7:7, we are contra-pose to the other descriptions of us. We are described as the stars of heaven in numbers, but in Duet. 7:7, as the fewest of peoples.

In an Aramaic version of our Tanach, this verse is interpreted as the humblest of peoples, and in Micah, which I have posted a couple of times, it is to do justly, love mercy, and to walk in humility with the L-rd, thy G-d.

I think I better understand what rankles with you about me, and I think you have a strong point; you hear me as being "proud." Where I should be more compassionate with those who post-which is my desire-I have let my pride in myself and my people have more light than I should.

There is a lot for each of us to be proud of, and I have recognized this and advocated it; but I also have let my feelings over ride my common sense, and have pushed my point of view stronger than was warranted.

I may be wrong-have been before and shall be again-but I think my study placed some light on what has crippled our conversing with each other. You have a point, and i shall try to be more aware of tis.

Still, with all humility, as the only "vocal" Jew here, I shall share what I feel can help show if not where, then how we have different outlooks, but never can we say either one of us is best. Only G-d is best.

Shalom;

Yechiel

Attn: Yechiel

You are all over the place and never respond to anything other then why you cannot be converted. I have never tried to convert you and you keep trying to be convincing as to why you cannot be converted. I am not asking you to compromise your Faith. This is the problem with your conversation, it’s all about you, and why you have to believe as you do. This is and has never been questioned; it is only being addressed by you, constantly. You lack the understanding of what is being addressed here keep going down the same road.

And it is true when I say you are Antichrist when you make comments regarding Jesus the Christ and the Virgin Birth as being untrue and with no validity. Anyone who is opposed to Jesus the Christ of which you have made very clear that you are is Antichrist. This opposition that you have made clear is what sets you apart from the Jews that I know or have ever known. I do understand that many Jews do not believe that Jesus the Christ is the Messiah but never met one with your disposition of opposition.

And nothing chased MikeC off this blog, and he did not give up, he simply choose to leave, and you do not know why he chose to leave, or if he may chose to come back. This is one of my wrinkles with you, as to the way you phrase things, “your sorry MikeC gave up” and “Chased MikeC away” You imply that MikeC gave up and that he was chased away. The only truth you know about this is that MikeC chose to leave.

Dear James;

You responded as I thought you would. You refuse to accept that your way is not the only way, so those like me who see things diffrently are "all over the place", and you say you do not try to convert me, true to a point, but you also say that my not accepting your way makes me an "antichrist".

Well! as Jack Benny would say. I respond with what Moses said, as he was leaving us; "Declear liberty and justice through out all the land, and unto all the people therein."

Shalom;

Yechiel

Attn: Yechiel

No Yechiel I did not respond as you expected for once again you make up things that were not said or implied. For you to come up with a conclusion that I refuse to accept that my way is not the only way is not even in the equation, it never happened. For you to come up with this type of analyses from what I have written is really saying a lot about you. Can you not stay on topic without making comments regarding things that are not there? This is just more of your deceptive misdirecting or you just do not understand what you read. And you really like to twist and change what has been written to suit yourself.

I said you are all over the place because you tell stories and cannot stay on topic, and I never said that you not accepting Jesus the Christ or my way as you put it, makes you the antichrist. Is this just more deception or misleading or do you just not comprehend what you read? Now let me say it again just as it was said “And it is true when I say you are Antichrist when you make comments regarding Jesus the Christ and the Virgin Birth as being untrue and with no validity. Anyone who is opposed to Jesus the Christ of which you have made very clear that you are is Antichrist.” Read it again, it is very explicit, and no were does it say what you have said that I said, which is “but you also say that my not accepting your way makes me an "antichrist." You have continuously and openly opposed Jesus the Christ and the Virgin Birth as being untrue, and with a concentrated effort tried to prove it was untrue. If you do not believe in Christianity then so be it, but stop telling those who do that their Faith has a false foundation, this is what makes you Antichrist. Perhaps looking up the definition of antichrist would clarify. It would seem that you do not read what is written but only surf through it, and then make your comments.

Dear James;

By your theory, every non-Christian is "antichrist"! No wonder you have such a persecusion complex! Being of a different opinion does not mean against; just a different way to see it.

If I went by your theory, as you do not accept Torah point of view, and HaShem gave the Torah, you are anti - G-d. I know you are not, but if you carry that view far enough, we can not have a common ground. I do not believe this to be true; we have agreed on many items. By the same token, many Christians do not accept your view, as they are of a different background and upbringing. Some Christians are "Monotheistic" in that they do not see Jesus as divine, as you do. But they are not "antichrist", nor are they anti-you. So calm down-the world is not against you, just the bill collector

So have a good day, for pete's sake, and accept that we can disagree, with out being anti-anything. As in politics

You know something? I just thought of this; only two persons in my life have accused me of being "antichrist"; you and AC. Hummm?

And Mike is the third or fourth person to complement me as being like Jesus. Hummm?!?

Have a good day, my friend. Take two Tablets, get pleanty of rest, and call Dr. HaShem in the morning. He is waiting.

Shalom;

Yechiel