Discuss Rocmike3's answer to: How do you leave supernatural events out of the creation of the universe? (Question for Atheists)

This is not a rant, this is not an argument. But I've had a realization and I wanted to share it. I realized that...there is no answer to how we got here if there is no supernatural occurence. ...

Rocmike3
Rocmike3 Answered:

Veggie Trunks, rest assured, God does in fact exist.  However, due to the untoward influence of atheists and satanists, the truth has been so skewed over the years that it is necessary to prove it anew with each generation.

Philosophical proof of Divine Creation antedates all written history.  Cuneiform tablets cite ancient proofs that still work today.  These tablets are of unknown antiquity.  Yet the arguments presented are as unimpeachable now as they were when first presented for logical consideration.

Allow me to shed some scientific light.  Any working knowledge of chemistry confirms that all chemical reactions proceed to the simplest point and stay there.  de Broglie's Law and entropy/enthalpy laws confirm Divine creation. 

I have seen people try to twist the laws of science to fit their atheist agenda, only to find that they cannot substantiate a case.  The laws of science do not tolerate atheism.  They never have, and they never can.

http://en.wikipedia/org/wiki/Thermodynamics

 

For further confirmation, consider the logical case that completely disproved atheism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godel's_ontological_proof

Atheists have always been a cult of mindless hate and terror.  Of course, like every other common street gang, atheists threaten other people because they think that they can get away with it.  One has to be ignorant as well as spineless to side with atheism.  After all, no rational person ever stayed with it.  And they never will.

www.doesgodexist.org

 

Even light will bend to do our bidding if we apply force correctly. The lowest servant in Heaven is still in Heaven, whoever rules in hell is still in hell, but they won't rule for long. No man stands taller than when he stoops to help a little child.
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IamQweenBee
IamQweenBee Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Rocmike...

We therefore confirm that Divine Creation and development of matter, species, and intelligence requires the guidance and intervention of an outside intelligence.

 

While I find this true, I also find that the outside intelligence that you so eloquently spoke of is GOD Himself. I am so poor in spirit and so are you and any other Christian to judge for ourselves who is who and what is what sometimes. Even Scientists themselves get boggled.

 

I know that GOD will send an angel disguised as a begger, a thief, etc just to see how His children would treat them. I had to catch myself one time when I went to the gas station for gas and a Pepsi. A beggar asked me for money. I got upset because the last beggar I helped was so ungrateful and kept asking for more. As a result, I yelled at this particular beggar. When I got in my car and drove off, a voice told me that could have been one of God's angels in disguise and God was testing me. So, I made a U-Turn and searched for that person. When I found him, I gave him a $5 bill. As Christians, we have to watch how we treat people. We may not agree with what they do, say, think, or believe but we still have to be RIGHTEOUS! I struggle with that one because as you say, so many don't seem worthy but who am I to say who is worthy and who is not. However, I strive to do better everyday. See, whatever they do that is NOT of God, then God will handle that. We are supposed to walk down the path of righteousness REGARDLESS...

 

Then again, we could be PREJUDGING or just plain old JUDGING! Which is also God's place. I struggle with that one, too!

 

I tell ya...I have enough on my plate trying to stay focused on my Christian walk without having to worry about what the next person is doing right or wrong. Because come judgment day, I will ONLY answer to what I did...not what anyone thought about what I did.

 

Then, we also have to be careful because we never know when God has lead someone to do something. We might not agree with it or think its good, but, if we don't have all the specifics, who are we to judge or disagree with GOD anyway...

 

I guess that coincides with your highlighted phrase. LMAO

 

 
 
IamQweenBee
IamQweenBee Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Oh and I am not saying God lead people to be criminals. HOwever, God could be calling them to save them from a destructive life. It just takes them to take steps towards God. So who am I to judge them. God saved me and my hubby out of the trenches and I know we are no different than anyone else...
 
SonOfSinBill
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MrWebster

MrWebster Answered:

Hi pa's girl:  Here is my prayer list which you asked for and I promised that I would deliver when I was ready.  Things here seem slow today, so I guess I'm as ready as I'll ever be.  I pray for all the following people by personal name or internet user name.  I ask our Lord to bless and strengthen  them and their whole families, including their extended families.  I get a lot more specific than that, as well.
Michael Abraham, Alberto Tirado, Rodney Bridges Leith, Penelope, Margaret Babik, Raymond J. Connolly, iittle Ashley Connolly, Miriam Melendez and bring the killer of Miriam's  son, Darreus Burgess, to justice, Barbara Shannon, Milagros Matos, Mrs. Det. Marc Anthony DiNardo (Mary Dinardo), Mrs. Capt. John L. Hallet III (Lisa Hallet), Aunt Elaine, Mrs. Pastor Nevin, Bojenna Naumowicz, Byron Mosley, and Mireya Rivera.
leggs, Darren, DB Lady, nomorepbreaks, IamQeenBee, pattyp, Ablack, dfrogpong, Friend of the Frog and all the froggies, Iknowsit, DoYou Know, Armybrat75, Michael J Held, thebruce, Sweet Gypsey, honey, Neta, Yaniv, Avichay, Tim Armstrong, Mr.Jqna, AShoofly, Asha, physicalist, NJoy, URI93, Kathy, PatD, finabiscotti, American Patriot, Capt. Conservative, Chaplain Kid, MarineReconDad, marinesniper, Rocmike3, Gunner Little, Funguy, Fellrunner1964, ByronGaston, Nanadee, pa's girl, Sammy, -O-, jada_lynne.
jkgrandma, elena, Equus, Skitch, Anna Sparky's Mom, Donna aka Maya, Daniel, George, profitbob, fifthbeatle, Elijah Jamall.
Special prayers for Kathleen, Nathan Carl, and Mark.
Special prayers for our country and it's government, our serving troops, and the families and loved one's of all our fallen warriors.
I hope that I have answered your question.
I am justified,
MW

 Put a little GRATITUDE in your ATTITUDE! The mark of a true champion is
 
Rocmike3
Rocmike3

Queenbee, I hate to tell you how many times God delivered me out of the jaws of death.  Although not major miracles in the Scriptural sense, they are miracles that  physicians, physicists, and yours unruly can fully attest.

 

When atheists try desperately to disprove God is is absolutely clearely for a specific and undeniable financial purpose: since Christians do not guzzle booze or waste our money on pornography, that makes it clear why atheists who make huge wads of ill gotten loot from these desultory products oppose sound religion.

 

That is why all atheists side so ferociously with Larry Flynt (Hustler magazine) and bash so violently against ministers like Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell, often resorting to violence to persecute people into their ill-considered trade.

 

Of course, we know the tree by the fruit it produces, do we not?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Killed_My_Father

 
 
SonOfSinBill
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MrWebster

MrWebster Answered:

Hi pa's girl:  Here is my prayer list which you asked for and I promised that I would deliver when I was ready.  Things here seem slow today, so I guess I'm as ready as I'll ever be.  I pray for all the following people by personal name or internet user name.  I ask our Lord to bless and strengthen  them and their whole families, including their extended families.  I get a lot more specific than that, as well.
Michael Abraham, Alberto Tirado, Rodney Bridges Leith, Penelope, Margaret Babik, Raymond J. Connolly, iittle Ashley Connolly, Miriam Melendez and bring the killer of Miriam's  son, Darreus Burgess, to justice, Barbara Shannon, Milagros Matos, Mrs. Det. Marc Anthony DiNardo (Mary Dinardo), Mrs. Capt. John L. Hallet III (Lisa Hallet), Aunt Elaine, Mrs. Pastor Nevin, Bojenna Naumowicz, Byron Mosley, and Mireya Rivera.
leggs, Darren, DB Lady, nomorepbreaks, IamQeenBee, pattyp, Ablack, dfrogpong, Friend of the Frog and all the froggies, Iknowsit, DoYou Know, Armybrat75, Michael J Held, thebruce, Sweet Gypsey, honey, Neta, Yaniv, Avichay, Tim Armstrong, Mr.Jqna, AShoofly, Asha, physicalist, NJoy, URI93, Kathy, PatD, finabiscotti, American Patriot, Capt. Conservative, Chaplain Kid, MarineReconDad, marinesniper, Rocmike3, Gunner Little, Funguy, Fellrunner1964, ByronGaston, Nanadee, pa's girl, Sammy, -O-, jada_lynne.
jkgrandma, elena, Equus, Skitch, Anna Sparky's Mom, Donna aka Maya, Daniel, George, profitbob, fifthbeatle, Elijah Jamall.
Special prayers for Kathleen, Nathan Carl, and Mark.
Special prayers for our country and it's government, our serving troops, and the families and loved one's of all our fallen warriors.
I hope that I have answered your question.
I am justified,
MW

 Put a little GRATITUDE in your ATTITUDE! The mark of a true champion is
 
Pax Majoris
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MrWebster

MrWebster Answered:

Hi pa's girl:  Here is my prayer list which you asked for and I promised that I would deliver when I was ready.  Things here seem slow today, so I guess I'm as ready as I'll ever be.  I pray for all the following people by personal name or internet user name.  I ask our Lord to bless and strengthen  them and their whole families, including their extended families.  I get a lot more specific than that, as well.
Michael Abraham, Alberto Tirado, Rodney Bridges Leith, Penelope, Margaret Babik, Raymond J. Connolly, iittle Ashley Connolly, Miriam Melendez and bring the killer of Miriam's  son, Darreus Burgess, to justice, Barbara Shannon, Milagros Matos, Mrs. Det. Marc Anthony DiNardo (Mary Dinardo), Mrs. Capt. John L. Hallet III (Lisa Hallet), Aunt Elaine, Mrs. Pastor Nevin, Bojenna Naumowicz, Byron Mosley, and Mireya Rivera.
leggs, Darren, DB Lady, nomorepbreaks, IamQeenBee, pattyp, Ablack, dfrogpong, Friend of the Frog and all the froggies, Iknowsit, DoYou Know, Armybrat75, Michael J Held, thebruce, Sweet Gypsey, honey, Neta, Yaniv, Avichay, Tim Armstrong, Mr.Jqna, AShoofly, Asha, physicalist, NJoy, URI93, Kathy, PatD, finabiscotti, American Patriot, Capt. Conservative, Chaplain Kid, MarineReconDad, marinesniper, Rocmike3, Gunner Little, Funguy, Fellrunner1964, ByronGaston, Nanadee, pa's girl, Sammy, -O-, jada_lynne.
jkgrandma, elena, Equus, Skitch, Anna Sparky's Mom, Donna aka Maya, Daniel, George, profitbob, fifthbeatle, Elijah Jamall.
Special prayers for Kathleen, Nathan Carl, and Mark.
Special prayers for our country and it's government, our serving troops, and the families and loved one's of all our fallen warriors.
I hope that I have answered your question.
I am justified,
MW

 Put a little GRATITUDE in your ATTITUDE! The mark of a true champion is

 
 
IamQweenBee
IamQweenBee Thinks this answer is Helpful:

RocMike...I know God IS a deliverer. LMAO! So, I can imagine how many times. Its just the same for me.

 

You know...one time (recently) I did something wrong. I knew it was wrong and something kept telling me not to do it, but I did it anyway just to get back at someone.

 

Shortly after that, I felt SO CONVICTED that I had to apologize to that person the next day...after having a sleepless night. My conscious wouldn't let me rest. LMAO! I had to fall on my knees and pray to God! I pondered why other people do dirt and get away with it. And here it is, I wanted to be vindictive to someone out of spite and IMMEDIATELY got convicted. I just thought that was SO UNFAIR! LMAO! In reality, I was being a BRAT about it and God sent the Holy Spirit to tell me not to do that because He really wants me to stay straight.

 

Needless to say, I didnt do that anymore. HAHAHAHA! Too afraid of my Father's wrath if I did.

 

See, I may not be able to eloquently quote scripture like you and a few others here AND might not even know what they mean. LOL. BUT make no mistake about it, I know God, I love God, I honor God, and I worship only God.

 

The main reason why I do not like to debate with other Christians or children of God is because God said, "Touch not my anointed"   So, I just don't like to go there...I have, but, I try not to and don't like to.

 

For almost every scripture one can quote, I have a true testimony...That is enough for me. LOL

 

Its been a blessing sharing this with you and I enjoyed it. On that note...GOD BLESS!

 

Pax...Thanks
 
Rocmike3
Rocmike3

Pax Majoris, Pax Nicht, Queenbee, et al:

 

Allow me to join with you in prayer for all those you mention.  There is no one who does not need the intercession of the godly on their behalf. 

 

As to our leaders: God's guidance and compassion.  May they listen to God before it is too late. 

As to our atheists: God's witness to their spirits, to give them the compassion to forgive themselves for what they have done and asked others to do.

As to our Christians: God's mercy and care.  "When I was alone, you visited me."

As to our servicemen and servicewomen: God's protection and encouragement: "When I was oppressed, you freed me."

As to our aid workers currently in the field at the risk of life and limb to bring people the aid that they need: God's help and solace.  "When I was hungry, you fed me."

"When did we do that for you, Lord?"

"When you did it for the least of these, my brethren, you did it for me."

 

Prayed in the Name of Jesus, Amen.
 
IamQweenBee
IamQweenBee Thinks this answer is Helpful:

Amen...Thank you and thank God!

 

Hey Rocmike...I was thinking of something funny that actually happened. Maybe you wouldn't think its funny, but, I sure as heck did...

 

I have this friend who doesn't want to get close to God for some reason.  So, I told her that when I went to church, I prayed for her and put her name in the prayer box.

 

A week later, she broke into the church to take her name out of the box. HAHAHAHA! She got arrested of course, but, when she went before the judge (court), I was there too. When the judge asked her why did she break into a church of all places...this was her reply..."my Christian friend said she prayed for me and put my name in the prayer box. Whatever she prayed for did not work because I have been having so much bad luck. So, I broke in the church to take my name out of the box.  I thought this prayer box was really God's shyt list. That's all I wanted, your honor, was my name out of the box."

 

I ran out of the court room because I had to laugh SO BAD!  And the judge had a hard time keeping a straight face, too. This happened for real! I was there in court with her. She is really a VERY HUMOROUS person and say a lot of things that make people laugh...but I was SHOCKED when she said that. LMAO!

 

I guess there are still so many who are lost...
 
SonOfSinBill
SonOfSinBill Thinks this answer is Helpful:

12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. 13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. - James 5:12-16
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