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How can I see the actual House Health Care Reform Bill?


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sorry Gayle they won't show you till after they sigh it


Time To Go, Grampa


With "controlling costs" a primary goal of Obamacare, and half of all medical costs coming in the last six months of life, "rationed care" takes on a new meaning for us all.

London's Telegraph reported Sunday that the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence, known by its Orwellian acronym NICE, intends to slash by 95 percent the number of steroid injections, such as cortisone, given to people who suffer severe and chronic back pain.

"Specialists fear," said the Telegraph, "tens of thousands of people, mainly the elderly and frail, will be left to suffer excruciating levels of pain or pay as much as 500 pounds each for private treatment."

Now, twin this story with the weekend Washington Post story about Obamacare's "proposal to pay physicians who counsel elderly or terminally ill patients about what medical treatment they would prefer near the end of life and how to prepare instructions such as living wills," and there is little doubt as to what is coming.


The Post portrayed the controversy as stoked by "right-leaning radio" using explosive language like "guiding you in how to die" and government plans to "kill Granny." Yet, is not the logical purpose of paying doctors for house calls to the terminally ill, whose medical costs are killing Medicare, to suggest a pleasant and early exit from a pain-filled and costly life?

Let us suppose the NICE plan in Britain is adopted. And an 80-year-woman, living alone, with excruciating persistent back pain, is visited by a physician-counselor. What is he likely to advise? What conclusion would Grandma be led to by a doctor who sweetly explains what treatment she may still receive, what is being cut off, and what her other options might be?

What other options are there?

Examples of how to "die with dignity" are at hand.

Three weeks ago, Sir Edward Downes, the world-renowned British orchestra leader, who was going blind and deaf, and his wife of 54 years, who had terminal cancer, ended their lives at a Zurich clinic run by the assisted suicide group Dignitas. They drank a small amount of liquid and died hand in hand, their adult children by their side.

This is the way of de-Christianized Europe. For years, doctors have assisted the terminally ill in ending their lives. Indeed, it has been reported that indigent, sick and elderly patients who could not make the decision for themselves had it made for them.

In America, we have a Death with Dignity Act in Oregon and such suicide counselors as the Hemlock Society, which itself took the cup in 2003. Now we have Compassion & Choices, which counsels the elderly sick on a swift and painless end. Before he took to ending the lives of patients who were not terminal, but sick and depressed, Dr. Kevorkian had his admirers. Not infrequently, one reads of nursing homes where the infirm and elderly have been put to death.

Beneath this controversy lie conflicting concepts about life.

To traditional Christians, God is the author of life and innocent life, be it of the unborn or terminally ill, may not be taken. Heroic means to keep the dying alive are not necessary, but to advance a natural death by assisting a suicide or euthanasia is a violation of the God's commandment, Thou shalt not kill.

To secularists and atheists who believe life begins and ends here, however, the woman alone decides whether her unborn child lives, and the terminally ill and elderly, and those closest to them, have the final say as to when their lives shall end. As it would be cruel to let one's cat or dog spend its last months or weeks in terrible pain, they argue, why would one allow one's parents to endure such agony?

In the early 20th century, with the influence of Social Darwinism, the utilitarian concept that not all life is worth living or preserving prevailed. In Virginia and other states, sterilization laws were upheld by the Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, who said famously, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

In Weimar Germany, two professors published "The Permission to Destroy Life Unworthy of Life," which advocated assisted suicide for the terminally ill and "empty shells of human beings." Hitler's Third Reich, marrying Social Darwinism to Aryan racial supremacy, carried the concepts to their logical if horrible conclusion.

Revulsion to Nazism led to revival of the Christian ideal of the sanctity of all human life and the moral obligation of all to defend it. But the utilitarian idea -- of the quality of life trumping the faith-based idea of the sanctity of life -- has made a strong comeback.

And the logic remains inexorable. If government intends to "bend the curve" of rising health care costs, and half of those costs are incurred in the last six months of life, and physician-counselors will be sent to the seriously ill to advise them of what costs will no longer be covered, and what their options are -- what do you think is going to be Option A?

I don't wish to be argumentative ,but I disagree with the Islamic belief that I should be killed! " If radical atheists decided they needed to kill believers to ensure their place in nothingness, I'd be criticizing that too."

You can read the entire thing right here: http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf

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Simple thing to do in your tool bar Type in HR 3200 also good reading is HB 1388 then S 773 very interesting reading but the HR 3200 is subject to change with out notice.

Equal justice for All The law works but the system needs changed, We all abide by the law but sometime it failes us. The same with the goverment. God bless the USA, Brign our troops HOME safely, To the men who did not get the credit they deserve, MAY GOD WATCH OVER OUR SERVICE MEN.

Subject: In reply to your request to sign on to the Health Care Initiative


As an American, concerned with and for America, NOT a party, an agenda, or a particular politician, I beg you to please use your god given brain to think about what it is you are advocating. Please remember that what you and I are discussing has yet to be fully disclosed to us. We are discussing for and against an unknown. Just the concepts that have been handed down to us by those with an agenda.

We both agree that Health Care, needs reform. It needs an overhaul, but not at the price, the unaffordable price that the current legislation is going to cost. At least the projected cost of what has been shown us to date. This is your future, these are your dollars, this is the legacy that you will have to live with. Trust me when I say the path you are choosing is flawed.

Massive change, equals massive disruption. Massive power, equals massive corruption. We as Americans cannot afford to have the foxes watching the chickens. It never has, and never will work. The foxes get fat, (for a while) then the chickens get consumed. As a result the foxes die of starvation. It is a cycle of life that is doomed from the start. No belief in political rhetoric is going to change the axiom.

To be ideologically involved is a wonderful thing. To be ideologic without using logic in this debate is simply to become someone's political pawn. This is moronic at best.

America has and will continue to be great because of one underlying principle. That principle is the separation of powers which our forefathers had the foresight to employ in our founding documents. What does this do. It simply keeps the balance of power in check. If power is kept in check then this ship, this America, this country will continue to flourish and lead the world with innovation and compassion. Don't get me wrong, sometimes we screw it up. It is not perfect, but the overall larger result has been to better this world even with the mistakes. Our ship needs to remain upright.

It is my belief that this current administration wants to upset this balance. They want unprecedented control. What does this mean for you, and your future if we allow this to happen? What does this mean for your children? What does this mean for the World that has quite frankly looked to the United States as the savior of freedom, and guardian of peace? Look back at your history and ask yourself, "Where would I be if my country had not taken the steps it did against Hitler. Against Japan. Against the Russians. And now, against radical Islamic factions that want to strip you not only your way of life, but most likely your life itself. Where would I be now if we as a Nation had gone down a path of one party rule with no separation of powers. Just look at your history of the nations that have followed this course. This is all I ask of you, and that is to open your eyes and see what has occurred throughout history. It is not magic. Just a reality check on how truly great OUR America is because of the foresight of these founding principles.

I know what you are thinking. It sure is a far stretch from Health Care to Fundamental Islamic factions. However, I will point out to you that it is ALL  part of the same connection. The connection is simple. The connection is our sovereign government, and its ability to choose, not through a single source of knowledge or rule, but through the multiple layers of individual and collective thoughts that have been created. A process that, as stated has not been perfect, but has proven through the ages to be functionally correct a majority of the time. To be blunt, a tract record that is not open for debate, as the results cannot be skewed by those with focused agendas. 

A. you have no clue as to who I am. I am not sure that at this point in your life if you have a clue as to who you are? I don't mean this sarcastically, but more in the light that without some of life's experiences it is hard to be fully versed in what is being thrown at us in this political debate. I am not sure anyone is or can be fully versed, no matter the age. However, with age sometimes comes a more rounded perspective. It is with this perspective that I ask you to truly look at what is being asked of you. Not by your convictions, but by the convictions of others. How are these actions going to impact those who fall under the sphere of influence and rhetoric. What is the fallout going to look like to my children? What is the fallout? Is the cost maintainable for the benefits being proposed. or, are the benefits being proposed simply a ploy for those less scrupulous in a simple grab for power.This power grab is not new to history, in the past, the present, nor the future. I am simply asking you to think about these things before you sign on to a program that none of us truly knows the magnitude, or the scope of, as they have yet to be disclosed. What I am asking you to do, as I am doing myself, is to simply think.

Have a great day, a great life.


Delilah cut Sampson's hair and forced him into servitude and demise, powerful is woman, strong and vigilant, she brought her men off battlefields to carry them on her back to safety or to burial


The House just passed the bill with 220 votes.

Take that you RepuKKK's! You lose Tongue out


Wisdom, compassion, and courage are the three universally recognized moral qualities of men~ Confucius

I seriously doubt the public let along Congress will have adequate time to review and understand what is in the bill and what it will cost us before it is voted on.  Hopefully, the Republican will win Kennedy Senate seat and we can start medical care reform over. 

I also want to note that mandating everyone in the US to have medical insurance is not constitutional.  I can not find any part of the US constitution that give Congress and the President this power.  

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