I know what God said, but what is He saying.

Debra,

There are 2 issues. The 1st is the Law of the Old Testement, which Christians who are saved are not under the Law. With that said, Paul in the New Testament states the women are not to be heads of a church. So, this is the issue. God has defined what the role of men & women are. In the old testament, Adam made it more difficult for men to hold onto their headship when Adam allowed Eve to bite the apple. The problem is, is that men where built to lead and women were cursed to desire to headship, which makes our lives out of balance.

If a women is a Pastor & head of a church, how does she go home and assume a lesser role when she's with her husband? Men where called to be Priest of their homes. How does a man be Priest in his home, when his wife is the head of a church and probably more knowledgable? Now you have a home out of order.

The problem is men/women (Priest/Pastors) have disobeyed God and have confused everyone who follows them. Our Pastors & Preachers have a huge responsibility and we as the flock, unfortunately try to lead our life's like those that are teaching us, instead of learning from Christ. We have to take the good & spit out the bad. Take the message from the messenger.

Joyce Meyer is a very good teacher, but I know that she is out of order and I know her spiritual weaknesses. I respect her because she has even acknowledged that she takes a lesser role when she get's home, which does help the flock to understanding the contradiction that she portrays.

With that said, most women and especially those who are going into the ministry have a problem with Paul and his strick views on women. Women have soo much power, but they use it for selfish reasons and disrespect themselves by the attire they wear. If they only new what the could do for the Body of Christ, if they weren't distracted by selfish desires. Nonetheless, the problems starts and ends with mens lack of accountability and thus people actually believe that God has changed HIS mind...

God hasn't changes his Laws. Men will always try to change God's word according to themselves.

Hope that helps... God Bless you...

you both know that scriptures state women are not to usurp the authority of man, God spoke it through His prophet, true christians believe Him, that settles it. Why do you insist on flirting with the devil and dancing his dance, you put your own salvation at risk,and damning the souls you lead astray.Take God at His word, and stop wearing that which pertains to the man. Westley of Baltimore.

The Bible was written by men ~ not God!!!  Why would a man ever allow anyone to usurp their need for power?  And why are women supposed to take a weaker role in their own homes??  Because the men who wrote the Bible are scared to death of strong women ~ scared to death of everyone finding out how weak they are and that yes, many women are smarter, more able to lead, than they are.  I cannot believe how many people are quoting this book as if it is the actual word of God.  They quote this book as if it were the real truth.  God is the truth, not words written on paper in his name.  We women are the bringers of life.  That is power that men will never have.  And those men that wrote the Bible worked diligently to try to wrest that power from us.  We are all supposed to work together to survive in this world and make it a better place.  Defining people as "lesser than" or "weaker than" does nothing to promote oneness.  It simply makes men feel better about themselves.

Unfortunately, if I expose the holes in Skitch's interpretation of the Bible and adress the lack of sufficient historical evidence. It would just be argumentative because her point of view is totally subjective and opinion based.

Just for educational purposes, I will state that women wrote the Bible as well. Obviously, Skitch doesn't believe that Christ was God incarnate, so stateing that the Bible was also written by God would also be a mute point.

With that said, I think only an ego maniac and somebody with an inferiority complex would even argue the fact that a man is a stronger vessell. If you need to come up with a genetic freak (a women that has more testostermone then most men) then you actually prove my point...

I think we ALL know right from wrong. As I stated before, all women (especially Skitch) are the example of God's curse to men. Adam had a chance to lead, allowed Eve to make a decision for both of them and mankind is still dealing with the repercussions of that decision. Nonetheless, God has given us men that headship and most men don't want it. I liked being the good guy in my home, but my wife generally takes that job. So I have to make decisions that are what is best for my entire family, instead of what I want, instead of what my wife wants, instead of what each child wants. Men have failed to assume their roles as leaders and have abused their authority along the way. Men are the reason why our families have deteriorated and why women still believe that they can raise a family by themselves or with another women. LOL. If their were fathers in every home, do you think that we would have the crime rate that we have had since the womens liberation. Maybe Skitch can go look that one up in Google. LOL. It takes a man to raise a man and a women to raise a women. The homes needs both, with the man assuming & proud to lead selflessly and humbly. Humility is a word that is used in the Bible more the God & Jesus put together. Forgive me for not be humbled, but the truth will set you free.

At the end of the day, men are the stronger mental & physical vessels (generally). Men have a specific role within the family, which is headship. If you believe that your role as a women is less important because you are not the Boss, or because you aren't as pysically/mentally strong as men then you have some insecurity issues. What I do know that every role is important. As in 1 Corinthians, what is a head without eyes? What is a body without arms. Some people are so concerned with Titles that they lose sight of the goal. For a team, the Coach is the Boss, but the Teams doesn't win a championship without every person doing their role. Phil Jackson needs Kobe, Kobe need Andrew Bynum and everyone needs Dr. Jerry Buss and Dr. Jerry Buss needs Lakers Fans.

Maybe she get's it now...

Spoken like a scared little boy (sigh).  Yes, men have more muscle mass, but how does this make them better at leading a congregation?  How does this make them more equipped to run a household? Your arguments are shallow, and so you had to resort to name calling.  This is why I could never believe in your God.  My God would never want me to make someone feel smaller because they do not share my views. Women's Lib did not bring on the problems with the American family ~ capitalism did.  And crime has so many different causes that giving a juvenile and simplistic answer like "It's the fact that women work" is just pathetic.  Perhaps you should Google humility.  You certainly lack it.  So keep calling names.  Be sarcastic and cruel.  How very Christian of you.  We sure do need more leaders like you.

Skithes mind has become perverse according to the god she serves, the devil. And as far as men giving up their headship, I know of no such tradition, The Lord Jesus Christ also saying'IF I, IF I BE LIFTED UP FROM THE EARTH, I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO THEE! So lift HIM up! Westley of Baltimore.

Skitch,

As I stated, sometimes the truth hurt, but it will also set you free. However, I can be honest and tell you that being humble is something that I struggle with. For that I apologize... With that said, I think you intentially disregarded the many valid points that you couldn't possible adress without a contradiction. As stated before, you seem to feel inferior and that is a personal issue. Thank you for sharing... My point is, women have a vital role in life. As in 1 Corinthians 12: 12-20, there are many parts but 1 body. The head has a role and so does the heart. You would argue that the heart is more important than the head and I would argue that the body doesn't exist without both. The title is very important to you, but a title is a right & responsibility to me. Men where given the title & responsibility of headship by God. This doesn't mean that a women couldn't do a better job and that is your personal insecurity speaking out load. As much as you want to change, your title is yours to live up to. By right i am a Father, but someone could do a better job, it doesn't mean that I am still not a Father of my children. My right gives my the ability to do it better that anyone else.

Although, I think telling us what God you serve might shed a little on your viewpoint. Because you believe that the Bible was written by men, which was wrong and you believe that a women should Pastor a church, at what church do you worship???  The fact is, your oringinal email had some great 1 liners " and that yes, many women are smarter, more able to lead, than they are. " "They quote this book as if it were the real truth.  God is the truth, not words written on paper in his name. "We women are the bringers of life.  That is power that men will never have."  To be honest with you, I am not afraid of any person that works hard to better themselves, except those who do it for selfish & evil means. My wife and I run our business together. I am very thankful to have a women who understand my role and embrasses her role. My wife, like most women want to run things just because she can.

Like a quote from Jurrasic Park (this one is for all of those Men & Women), who desire to lead. "You were in a rush to see if you could, but didn't stop to think if you should."

Nonetheless, I would be interested in a response, because i have a Christian world view, which is an abomination to the world in which we live, so I expected that view would be from 2 different & conflicting worlds. Women are superior in a multitude of area, which can be said for men. It's a mute point... The fact is, it is the man's right & natural ability to lead, whether you like it or not. The fact is, you appear to have more desire to lead then most men, and that is the real reason for the fall of the Family. Being humble and a leader is an oxymoron, unfortunatley...We all must strive for humility, especially those (men & women) in leadership roles, because those that don't have the power are earning from your example...

Lastly, you just might get a leader like me...LOL (No pun intended).

Hopefully, I have cleared the air. You probably have many more areas that you excel in, than myself. So you must be better... I LOVE you whether your the head or the heart or the knee or the foot. You and I still have a valuable purpose and it is truly magical when the ego are gone for the success of the 1.

Best regards,

God Bless you and I still look forward to your response.

You greatly err on all points of scripture, the first and worst being you compare this one to that one, when scripture clearly states that it is wrong to compare ourselves with ourselves. There is nothing you or anyone else could say that would persuade me to believe that a women in leadership is a good thing, quite the contrary, GOD told israel that they erred for allowing women to lead them, thats why i praise GOD that hillary lost, she would have ruined this nation.Also, your quoting a movie shows that you still have the world in you, your supposed to forsake the world, not quote it. And if you still have the world in you, how great is that darkness? Westley of Baltimore