What is the current state of moral turpitude in our society?

This is perhaps the oldest question in law and possibly civilization itself: what do we consider right and wrong, and what do we do about it? 

Moral turpitude is necessarily a subjective issue, as we determine if a person actually understood that some actions are so immoral that we cannot tolerate them in our relatively moral and orderly society.

Persons who come here from Yemen or Mauritania find themselves almost immediately in violation of our laws that forbid abuse of women, abduction of hostages for ransom, contract homicide, and bribery of public officials.  In their homelands these actions were part of everyday life and approved of in their holy book, the Qu'ran.  Here these actions are completely unacceptable and in certain cases merit the death penalty.

Far be it from me to require denial of visa against all who come from the Middle East.  Many of their people are surprisingly well behaved. 

The question is, shall we compromise the moral standards that made America great, in order to accommodate persons who come from lands that are so immoral and corrupt that they cannot get along in civiization?

In short, people who come from a hellish place will behave in a hellish manner by adaptation and necessity.  Can we turn these sows' ears into silk purses or should we resume the selective visa quota system that was in place from 1948-2010?

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I think that I might be able to ask this question a bit more succinctly.

When the discussion of right vs. wrong occurs, who gets to define terms?

Keep close to Nature's heart... climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean.* Victims of circumstance owe it to fate. Victims of choice owe it to themselves.*One of the widest gaps in human experience is the gap between what we say we want to be and our willingness to discipline ourselves to get there.

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When I lived in other countries I understood their rules, regulations, customs, belief systems and I respected them.  Had I decided to give-up my American citizenship and ask to obtain theirs I would have accepted into my own being those standards they lived by. 

Anyone coming to our country must know we have laws, rules, customs and that we are a Republic with a Constitution and Bill of Rights and if they are ready to join our society they should be ready to leave theirs behind as did every immigrant before them and damned proud to do it.

My mother and grandfather came here after they war, like all immigrants they waited their turn to become American citizens and they learned the language, were productive, retained their customs within their homes but honored America and after 8 years were Nationalized.  They embraced America and would never have done anything to threaten or to betray America.

There was no fear of death to thousands from those immigrants.  Muslims are the only immigrants to come to America and kill over 3000 of us in one day.  More than were killed in years of fighting in Iraq.  This is deplorable and should have been met with stricter immigration laws regarding people who come to America from countries that are known to hate America.

We can not make Eagles out of Snakes but we can protect ourselves from their fangs through immigration laws.

Lady Darko 

The lines are drawn in the sand, the American people are alive and awake, well most anyway. Kick it and call names, Let the Freedom Ring

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